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Post Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 7:19 am 
 

JasonZavoda wrote:
Yeah, I started collecting when the halfprice sales were going but missed dcc #35 and paid full price for it + shipping. Noble Knight still seems to be unloading a number of the modules as sets for a bargain price but some are getting hard to find.

I know I still need the boxed set with minis of #30 (?) and module 3.5


I've got #30 but without the minis and I'm missing 3.5 and one more, but I'm not going after any of them, especially 3.5 anytime soon.  The last copy that I know of sold for $331.76.  That may be a fair price, but I don't like to buy stuff which is that valuable. 8)


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Post Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 11:03 am 
 

Interesting post from Joe Goodman on the Goodman Games site:

Hi everyone,

It's a new year with some new ideas! I've been thinking over a new approach with the DCC line and wanted to get some feedback. Think for a moment about the RPG market over the last few years:

2001-2004: 80%+ of RPG'ers were playing 3E.
2004-2005: Some gamers fell off between 3E and 3.5, but still 75% playing 3.5.
2005-2007: D20 variants multiply. Mutants & Masterminds, Iron Heroes, Arcana Evolved, Castles & Crusades, Conan, others. Most of the market is playing some version of 3E, but it's no longer all D&D. Various d20 publishers begin to release their own stand-alone RPG's (e.g., Runequest).
2008: Most, but not all, of the RPG market converts to 4E. Market is now split between 4E and many varieties of 3E holdouts. Other systems proliferate, including Hackmaster Basic and the 1E retro-clones. "Old-school" goes mainstream. Goodman Games remains the only "d20 company" still primarily supporting WotC D&D.
2009: Pathfinder releases. Fantasy RPG market is now split between 4E and Pathfinder, with another big chunk split to the other stand-alone RPG's (Castles & Crusades, Runequest, Fantasycraft, upcoming Dragon Age, etc.), and another chunk shopping online in the retro-clone market (which I personally have a fondness for).
2010: What's a module publisher to do?

My primary love remains adventures, but the market is so fragmented that the customers who played DCC modules in 2004 are now playing 6 different systems.

Here's something I've been thinking about. What if a DCC were written in "native 4E" but there were downloads to support other systems? Or...what if the DCC had generic stats ("Orc, 6 hp, axe, chainmail")...and ALL detailed stats were available as a download? So if you play 4E you download the 4E stats PDF...if you play Pathfinder you download the Pathfinder stats PDF...etc.

Tell me what you think. There are certain economics required in publishing modules, but as long as those economics are met by satisfying one or two larger systems, it may be possible to support more than one system.

And as a final side note, tell me what you think of Dungeon Alphabet. This is the book I spent a year working on as a side project, just to stay in touch with my inner grognard. If there's still a market for old-school imagery -- as evidenced by sales on Dungeon Alphabet -- this remains another option for the DCC line or other projects.

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Lots of interesting stuff.  Is this a sign that Goodman is perhaps going to start supporting the old school gaming community again?

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Post Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 11:41 am 
 

Badmike wrote:Interesting post from Joe Goodman on the Goodman Games site:



Lots of interesting stuff.  Is this a sign that Goodman is perhaps going to start supporting the old school gaming community again?

Mike B.


I think he wants to try other avenues, but not completely abandon his 4e crowd.

If he goes Pathfinder I'd support him again, if he goes generic with pdfs supporting various rules I may look at it but won't be as thrilled.

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Post Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 11:44 am 
 

Also, is this proof that 4E sales aren't up to snuff?

My FLGS says sales are steady but not rising.  He didn't seem too excited.  If this is so it makes sense for Joe to seek out other revenue streams.

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Post Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 1:11 pm 
 

Badmike wrote:Also, is this proof that 4E sales aren't up to snuff?

My FLGS says sales are steady but not rising.  He didn't seem too excited.  If this is so it makes sense for Joe to seek out other revenue streams.

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I think one look at ebay, where brand new 4e material is being sold for less than wholesale, shows that 4e retail sales are being undermined.

Times are quickly changing but I thought that just a few months ago Goodman was saying that pdfs and internet sales were meaningless in the scheme of RPG retailing? I don't think that you can successfully come up with a generic module that is backed up by a pdf.

The way WotC forced 4e down the throats of 3rd party publishers and the appeal of glitzy glossy and professional marketing of the Official D&D brand must have been very hard to resist.

There really seem to be 3 rules systems to follow. 4e, pathfinder, or AD&D. I think it is the 4e/pathfinder split that is the big problem. AD&D is my system of choice but I don't see it enjoying anywhere near the popularity of the other two.

I would love to see the DCC line go to AD&D, but that may be a print on demand route, or a pdf route.

As for the other two systems, if it isn't possible to follow both with in print products I think a choice needs to be made. Follow 4e or follow pathfinder. 4e is going to lead to 5e or 4.5 soon enough. It has to, it is the Ryan Dancy business model that kept D&D afloat with Hasbro. Sell more rulebooks, change the system, sell more rulebooks, and to hell with publishing adventures.

There has to be something more than just business models in the RPG business. This isn't a big money industry and publishers need to follow their heart more than their pocketbook. It is still a business, but they aren't producing scotch tape, light bulbs or plastic bags, they are publishing adventures. If what they love publishing are 4e adventures, they should stick to it, but if they love a different system, if it is at all viable financially, that is the one they need to back. I haven't seen a universal system adventure series catch on ever.

  


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Post Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 6:39 pm 
 

I'd like to add to the only DCC that I have, so just wondered what the typical price would be, as they dont seem to come up too often over here. I'm guessing just a couple of pounds each?
I'm looking for the low level ones at the moment, #28 and 29.


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Post Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 7:03 pm 
 

ashmire13 wrote:I'd like to add to the only DCC that I have, so just wondered what the typical price would be, as they dont seem to come up too often over here. I'm guessing just a couple of pounds each?
I'm looking for the low level ones at the moment, #28 and 29.

DCC modules sell for cover price or less.  They are getting harder to find, though eBay and Amazon were flush with them not too long ago.

DCC boxed sets also sell for cover price or less, with the exception of the Gazetteer of the Known Realms.

  

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Post Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 8:13 pm 
 

ashmire13,

DCC28 is actually a hardcover book of 262 pages.  It has many short adventures for levels 1-2.  It goes for about $14 over here.  Regular go for cover ($6-12) each.  

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Post Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:43 am 
 

excellent, thanks guys.

I definitely want a copy of DCC 28 now then, cheers for that info!  :D

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Post Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 2:57 am 
 

I think he meant DCC #29 The Adventure Begins 268 pages.
DCC #28 Into The Wilds is softcover perfect bound 60 pages.

You might also want to look at...
DCC #48 The Adventure Continues 258 Pages (4-6 level).

And these are compilations of three or four adventured that formed a series...
Saga of the Rat King
Saga of the Dragon Cult
Saga of the Witch Queen


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Post Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 7:24 am 
 

Sorry,  DCC29 is the hardcover.  Thanks mbassoc2003 for cleaning up my pile of $%&*.

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Post Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 7:44 am 
 

Prufrock wrote:Thanks mbassoc2003 for cleaning up my pile of $%&*.

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Post Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 8:05 am 
 

I do have one boxset which is real nice. Definitely want #29 now then   :lol:  8)


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Post Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 8:10 am 
 

A lot of the DCCs are worth buying. Most can be had at or below RRP, and they're gonna go up in value slowly as collectors move their attentions to d20 and new collectors come on board who have grown up playing 3.5E.


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** expired eBay auction **




This'll be the kiddie then!  :D  



I'll wait to see if the seller gets back to me on shipping, otherwise I'll be begging another Acaeum member for a copy maybe...   :lol:


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Post Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 8:47 am 
 

ashmire:
That is a decent price for DCC 29.


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The chart at the Goodman site is better actually.

BUT, Many of the DCC modules have a chart at the back showing that and more.

The chart also shows what environment that adventure is set in.
Some are set in more than one of course.
The chart shows:
If the mod includes Pre-Gen PCs.
If the Mod was a CON Mod.
Best Adventure Winner.
Urban
Desert
Arctic
Aquatic/Coastal

Here is the chart scanned from the back of DCC 51.5: The Sinister Secret of Whiterock

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Post Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 9:14 am 
 

Thanks for posting that again Gnat.  :)

My memory is sooo bad, but I'm sure I have the Dragon Cult Saga set. I've also picked up #31 (I think  :oops: ) recently and am having fun reading through them and looking to change them back to AD&D 1st ed.

Couple of minor issues that I'll sort very soon and they should be good to go for me, but I'm very keen for that #29 now, so I'll keep looking.

May even see if the seller of that one above will ship to a friend in the US and get it shipped from there!  :lol:  8)

EDIT - Yes it is #31 that I have!


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Post Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 10:13 am 
 

That's a good price, and International Shipping for $12. Wouldn't expect that to cover airmail. You should be able to find a UK sourse for DCC29. There are maybe half a dozen fairly well stocked online retailers who may have it. And there's alway Noble Knight Games.

It's not going anywhere. Prices will say lowis for a while yet.
Why not the PDF?


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