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Post Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 5:36 pm 
 

grubbiv wrote:Here's a table with all the DCC printings that I am aware of of.

good work. three prints for 2 + 51.5 two 1e prints for 12.5 :) :)
http://www.goodman-games.com/forums/vie ... f=20&t=894
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Post Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 7:59 pm 
 

#52 is 112 pages long....authors are Mike Ferguson, Ken Hart, Andrew Hind, Phillip Larwood,, Rick Maffei, Greg Oppedisano, Ross Payton, Adrian M. Pommier, Harley Stroh....front cover Eugene Jarowski...back cover Brad McDevitt...copyright 2007 and its a glued soft cover.  I'm snowed under at work atm but will have a go at the wiki end of next week all being well.

  

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Post Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 4:21 am 
 

Rakeesh sah Tarna wrote:good work. three prints for 2 + 51.5 two 1e prints for 12.5 :) :)
http://www.goodman-games.com/forums/vie ... f=20&t=894
http://www.goodman-games.com/forums/vie ... =20&t=2769

There are at least three printings of 12.5 1E that I'm aware of. I have two printings, and I don't have the Gencon first.


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Post Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 6:40 am 
 

simonmwh wrote:I'm snowed under at work atm but will have a go at the wiki end of next week all being well.


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Post Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 9:05 am 
 

mbassoc2003 wrote:There are at least three printings of 12.5 1E that I'm aware of. I have two printings, and I don't have the Gencon first.


I'll be putting up one of each of the first two printings, including the GenCon 1st.  Should be up later today.


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Post Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:26 am 
 

bombadil wrote:
I'll be putting up one of each of the first two printings, including the GenCon 1st.  Should be up later today.

There is a 1/4 inch difference in height between the 2nd and 3rd printing, and a different saturation level on the bue of the interior wraparound map.


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Post Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 12:01 pm 
 

Thanks, Ian.  I'll have to take a look at my other two copies.


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Post Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 12:29 pm 
 

mbassoc2003 wrote:There is a 1/4 inch difference in height between the 2nd and 3rd printing, and a different saturation level on the bue of the interior wraparound map.


Are you labeling the copies purchased from Goodman Games after Gencon as 2nd and 3rd printings?  Where some copies are noticeably taller than other copies?

Is there any evidence that they were printed on different dates?  I thought these covers were printed on big sheets and the difference was mainly an issue of uneven cutting.

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Post Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:20 pm 
 

grubbiv wrote:Here's a table with all the DCC printings that I am aware of of.

I made articles, or at least linked the images simonmwh uploaded, but I don't know the authors, date and cover artist for Chronicle of the Fiend.


Were the old logo's only available on 1st prints or did that extend to some second printings for 1-20?  

Where the best place to find the printing details?


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Post Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 6:47 am 
 

PaulKM wrote:Where the best place to find the printing details?

http://www.goodman-games.com/forums/vie ... f=20&t=776

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Post Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 8:35 am 
 

Mars wrote:
Are you labeling the copies purchased from Goodman Games after Gencon as 2nd and 3rd printings?  Where some copies are noticeably taller than other copies?

Is there any evidence that they were printed on different dates?  I thought these covers were printed on big sheets and the difference was mainly an issue of uneven cutting.

The copies printed after Gencon that I received from Badmike, and a few others online are different from the ones I bought in bulk from KNG. The KNG copies are 1/4 inch taller and have different ink saturation on the wraparound map. This tells me that, at the very least, they were printed and cut on different machines, even if they were not printed on the same day. The 1/4 inch height difference extends to the white booklet also, and I have not checked the writing to see if there are any alterations or corrections in the text.


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Post Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 9:32 am 
 

For the reprint after Gencon I ordered 5 copies.  Out of those 5, 2 or 3 of them were ones that were cut to be taller by 1/4 or slightly more than the others.  I saved 2 copies for myself (1 tall, 1 short) and the difference in height is between these two is 9 mm or about 0.354 inches (slightly more than 1/3 of an inch).  I also note that the yellow border on a number of these is not very uniform - one end of the same edge of yellow bar is thicker than the other end.  For height comparison, the Gencon edition and other DCC modules seem to fit in the middle of these two.

The colour saturation of the map inside both my tall and short copies however is the same but I do remember one of the other copies I had was lighter.  

I don't think this indicates a separate print run or even use of different equipment.  I think it means that they were badly cut.  I have no clue on what exactly is done in the printing industry (so someone who may know better may want to pipe in) but my guess is that the covers and book pages are printed in large sheets that are then cut out.  If perfectly cut, each cover would have the same size.  Instead, I think these were poorly cut (i.e. not down the middle where two covers on the large sheet meet).  Hence, a the yellow borders are not evenly cut or straight.  As a consequence, for each cover that was cut too tall, it took the extra height from another cover - hence there are also a number of shorter covers.

Summary:  same print run but badly cut.

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Post Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 9:38 am 
 

Fair dos. I do recall taking a photo of the saturation difference between the taller and smaller copies, and posting it at the time. I think my view was different because I sourced from different sources, but then if all yours came in the same batch, and they also had different saturation levels in the inks, I don't know what that means. Very bad printing at souce I would suggest.


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Post Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 9:43 am 
 

I think it was a very sloppy print run.  Another indication is that by measuring the length of the top and bottom edges of the same book, I get different lengths - out by 3 or 4 mm.

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Post Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 7:22 pm 
 

The first run of the 1E version of DCC #12.5, for Gen Con, was done with a printer I'll call Printer A. Printer A did a decent job on the Gen Con products, and I asked them to do a second run to fulfill the online portion. Printer A delivered that second run in a defective condition. A small portion was salvageable, and went out to fill a limited number of orders, but most of the run was unacceptable. Those copies were destroyed and Printer A promised to deliver replacements. Their replacement run was delivered several weeks later and was largely sub-par as well. At that point I stopped working with Printer A and sent the job to Printer B, who produced the balance of the orders. So there were two printers and a total of four runs involved, if I remember correctly.


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Post Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 7:32 pm 
 

goodmangames wrote:The first run of the 1E version of DCC #12.5, for Gen Con, was done with a printer I'll call Printer A. Printer A did a decent job on the Gen Con products, and I asked them to do a second run to fulfill the online portion. Printer A delivered that second run in a defective condition. A small portion was salvageable, and went out to fill a limited number of orders, but most of the run was unacceptable. Those copies were destroyed and Printer A promised to deliver replacements. Their replacement run was delivered several weeks later and was largely sub-par as well. At that point I stopped working with Printer A and sent the job to Printer B, who produced the balance of the orders. So there were two printers and a total of four runs involved, if I remember correctly.

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Post Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 8:16 pm 
 

JohnGaunt wrote: . . . and the print-run junkies start jonesin' for some 12.5 . . .


I think we need a solid definition for what we want to define as a print run.

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Post Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 8:37 pm 
 

Mars wrote:I think we need a solid definition for what we want to define as a print run.

different content in gencon 12.5 with errors fixed after sounds better but still interest in printings thank you for information

  
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