JasonZavoda wrote:Was that the list price? I think it's going to be a real gem of a collectable, but they don't do paypal so that left me out when Joe brought it up on the Goodman site.
HermitFromPluto wrote:Hi everyone, I am new to this thread and DCC, just wondering if there is any value difference between the (old?) lasso logo and newer circular logo on the DCC items? Thanks!
Badmike wrote:Hello Hermit!Not particularly, unless you are just a completist. More value (or interest) is assigned different covers for different printings (ex: DCC #1 has several different covers) than the lasso vs non-lasso versions.Mike B.
JasonZavoda wrote: ...Well the Soup Nazi says "No Soup For You!" which is fine. I've picked up what I was looking for and was buying to stock up on some collectables. As far as new items from Goodman, well, DCC used to offer up some great soup, Lobster Bisque, Jambalaya... but now they just have chicken noodle, pretty much the same chicken noodle offered by everyone else, the cans certainly look the same. I'm really not too disappointed to miss out on a can of chicken noodle....
islestrike wrote:Given that the look of the cans have changed, in what way does this affect the soup inside?
Afraid of the Dark wrote:Beauty may not be skin deep, but beauty is -- at least in part -- determined by one's looks.The production values of a module (fonts, layout, colors, art, word choice) can ignite the imagination, spark excitement, and even rekindle feelings you last had in your younger days.It doesn't matter how technically awesome a module is if you don't get excited to read it and running it. Yes, reading it may provide all the excitement that is necessary, but for those who desire a retro feel, a retro look can be the spark that lights the fire.Emotion is a big deal when selling product. And in the case of a product that someone looks at when using, emotion is a big deal when *using* that product.Compare to the automotive industry: There are a wide variety of cars all with wildly different looks. Often, it doesn't matter how long of a warranty a car has, or how high of gas mileage; sometimes the appearance of the car means a lot!
Badmike wrote:I agree. The look of 3E DCC modules was what had me. Now that the look has changed (and apparantly, Otus, Roslof, Dee and Holloway are dumped) I'm just not as interested.
goatboy wrote:But the reverse to true, too, right? A great cover by Erol Otus is worthless is the adventure is crap.
islestrike wrote:I'm curious about your whole soup analogy here. Given that the look of the cans have changed, in what way does this affect the soup inside? How does the change in cover design affect the quality of the adventure itself? Are you saying because they are now written for 4E they are not as good, or are you saying they are not as good because the writing has somehow changed for the worse to go along with the new look?For the record I don't exactly like the new look either, but apart from the mechanical and design philosophies of 3E vs 4E I don't see the adventure quality necessarily being different. i.e. if they were bad modules under 3E they are still going to be bad modules under 4E, and likewise if they were good modules then they are probably still good modules now regardless of the cans they come packaged in. How are they now the same chicken noodle offered by everyone else? The game has changed that is for sure but it is the same stable of authors writing for their Aerth campaign setting, that hasn't changed. They are just not 1E collectible (if they ever were that) as they used to be with the old cans. Personally I bought the old DCCs because I thought they were some really good adventures (for the most part) AND I liked the way they were presented in a very reminiscent 1E style. Now that half that equation is different it is a good excuse to stop buying them. Truth be told even if the look remained the same I would have chosen #52 as the cutoff and stopped there. The market has changed since DCC first started coming out, with some smaller publishers putting out their 1E creations. True most of it is print on demand, but that wasn't even an option before. In 2002 Idylls of the Rat King looked very 1E, now in 2008 there are real 1E modules to purchase if you want that sort of thing.Cheers!
Afraid of the Dark wrote:Worthless? Nah. Like many others here, there are mechanically "icky" products I own purely because I like the way it looks, or because some of some equally superficial/nostalgic factor.I may not run/play those sorts of things, but I might draw inspiration from them (especially from the art!) and I'll most certainly collect them!
simonmwh wrote:Goodman Games has choice. As a company their choice has to be towards making as much money as possible. They have to keep going with WOTC. If they don't they will cease to exist. I agree that the new mods don't look that great but without support or liscencing from WOTC Goodman would be nothing. Personally I don't like the new look but I know why they have done it and have no problem with this. The continued existence of Goodman is of benefit to all....like the 1E mods they may occasionally produce...and long may they last.
simonmwh wrote:<<snip>>I want there to be unlimited releases of 1E style material but it will never happen........having said that......any ideas how much it costs to get a mod published? I know Goodman staff read this as do some ex-TSR peeps. There are enough people here to chip in.....would we break even? My point is that it is a very tricky thing to do to keeps an indy games company going and not something that most of us would have the courage to do. Goodman are doing what they have to do.