Greetings!

To answer your questions:

1) The only 1e versions are specials released for the past two GenCons.  They are respectively DCC #12.5 and DCC Saga of the Witch Queen.  Both really good adventures, especially Witch Queen which combines DCC #17, the very limited DCC #17.5, and a new bridge adventure to tie the two more closely together.  Nice pastel cover too ...go get one.  

2) Are you perhaps thinking of DCC #3.5?  Another limited Con special by Dave Arneson,  it's perhaps the most expensive DCC out there with an Ebay price of around $200 - $250.  Its ok.  But there are so many other good DCCs I would buy some of the others first and then decide if you really need this one.

3) DCC #2 Vault of Tsathzar Rho I think is really good.  It is also included  in DCC Saga of the Dragon Cult which inludes 3 other early modules, and again includes a new bridge adventure to tie all the stories together.  If you already have it then I would recommend the afore mentioned con special Saga of the Witch Queen.  I'll also recommend DCC #30 as another really good story with lot's of memorable bits and characters.

Cheers!

For those that may have missed the limited edition DCC#30 (Vault of the Dragon Kings) tournament boxed set Nobleknight Games who have it for sale at the moment.

Uh-oh ...

http://www.ogrecave.com/news/goodman_dc ... view.shtml

Can phat lewt and kewl tats be far behind? Say it ain't so, Goodman ...

Xaxaxe wrote:Uh-oh ...

http://www.ogrecave.com/news/goodman_dc ... view.shtml

Can phat lewt and kewl tats be far behind? Say it ain't so, Goodman ...

I guess with the release of 4E, 3E is now considered "classic."

Xaxaxe wrote:Uh-oh ...

http://www.ogrecave.com/news/goodman_dc ... view.shtml

Can phat lewt and kewl tats be far behind? Say it ain't so, Goodman ...

I think they'll keep that Wicked whatever line separate from this, but if you listen to the pod cast the DCCs probably will take a 2nd edition route - just not sure.  Though if the stat blocks are smaller and more adventure can be written then I may at least check out the first few.  Since my only grip about the DCC's was the massive stat blocks - not their fault since that's 3.x, but they could have and think they have done simply reference the MM and provide small stats.

ShaneG.

OK....

Is this a New Coke sort of thing?

Has there been a big turnover at Goodman and the new thinkers have some wonderful, new thoughts?

Has Goodman been purchased by a wealthy non-gamer family who put one of their female members in charge...a woman with no game experience and actual contempt for gamers and whose main experience is in publishing childrens' books?

Is Goodman, also, just jetisoning us as customers?

I remain excited about 4e.

FormCritic wrote:OK....

Is this a New Coke sort of thing?

Has there been a big turnover at Goodman and the new thinkers have some wonderful, new thoughts?

Has Goodman been purchased by a wealthy non-gamer family who put one of their female members in charge...a woman with no game experience and actual contempt for gamers and whose main experience is in publishing childrens' books?

Is Goodman, also, just jetisoning us as customers?

I just listened to a podcast with Joe Goodman (available on the same link as the cover pics) and it appears he's as flustered as anyone. This entire OGL bullshit by WoTC has taken all 3rd party publishers like Necromancer, Paizo, and Goodman off guard. Basically, if a company wants to switch to 4E, they have to get rid of all 3E products by a certain deadline, and they aren't allowed to sell them after that date...which basically means dumping all backstock for nothing, and having no future earnings with backstock. Or, they can stick with the OGL, but then aren't given a liscence to produce 4E stuff. Paizo seems to have gone this way, giving up on 4E entirely in favor of their own version of 3.5.  

First of all, I say good for Paizo.  Honestly I'm thinking of buying some of their Pathfinder stuff just to support them. I hope these misteps really leave a door of opportunity open for Paizo and they are able to take advantage of it.

Anyway, back to Joe Goodman, his company is in a real pickle. Listen tot he podcast, the entire thing just sounds like a mess, and I feel sorry for him having built a successful company he's left to just twist in the wind. Their choices are to start putting out 4E and basically lose tons of money dumping backstock (effectively, starting over because they won't be ALLOWED to sell their backstock) and publish new 4E items; or not, and they have chosen to move ahead with 4E.  With the caveat that they can't even publish their stuff until WoTC has a three month head start, and even then until the actual books are released for 4E they aren't able to actually put the finishing touches on anything they have worked up.

This being said, I'm sure someone thought the best gameplan for Goodman Games would be to entirely jettison the "1st edition feel" approach of the DCC modules, with the very cool retro look and feel, and jump in with both feet into the pond of 4E with a new look and new approach.

My verdict: DISASTER.  I don't know how much of their business was the retro game like myself, or Kingofpain(who I know collects these also), or many others that don't play 3/3.5 but love the look and thus purchase the item, but I feel it was at least a few.  With the fractioning of the market as is (surely there are 3.5 gamers not willing to switch), it's just a money loss for Goodman Games plain and simple. I'm definitely out and won't be purchasing any DCC stuff except what is needed to fill out my collection of the original stuff.

Has the entire industry gone bonkers?  Good Lord.

Mike B.

Plaag wrote:
While not yet set in stone (as no one has the GSL) there was talk of allowing 3.x and 4.0 products to be sold by the same company, just you could not do so under the same brand..so DCCs would have to be one or the other, not both rules.  But as everything regarding the GSL, it isn't available, so who knows what will be the final decision.

ShaneG.

I did run across this also, and I have no doubt something will be worked out.  But this has really piqued my interest in the DCC's as future collectibles, as there is no way they will ever be reprinted or reissued in the original form if the GSL holds up.  The first #50 might end up being nothing more than interesting curios, but I have a gut feeling that they are unique enough looking to qualify as something a gamer might want to complete a set of in, say, 10 years or so.

Mike B.