Treasure of the Dragon Queen query
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Post Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2003 4:01 am 
 

Other than my obsession with finding this tourney, does this thing ring any bells for anyone, at all?  

Details at Greyhawk's Tournament History: Treasure of the Dragon Queen


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Post Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 6:08 am 
 

Just  a bump, in case anyone's suddenly discovered that they have this :D


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Post Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 8:08 am 
 

Bumping an old thread . . . Now,  I'm not trying to get your hopes up or anything Allan :D  , but I was just reading the AD&D Coloring Album.

I immediately thought of Treasures of the Dragon Queen and re-read the info on your web site.

I mean, in the Coloring Album, the adventurers eventually recover the great "Treasure" of the Dragon Queen (Tiamat) .  She is actually referred to as the Dragon Queen (with caps).

There is even a Beholder.   :)

Anyway, I wonder if it is even remotely possible that the designer of this adventure used the plot line of the Coloring Book as a springboard to a more detailed tourney.  

I don't suppose any of the illos ring a bell?


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Post Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 12:14 pm 
 

Didn't Gygax come up with the contents of that coloring album on a plane flight back from LA to Wisconsin?  My mind could be failing, but it seems to me he told me that in an email when I asked about it years and years ago.

  


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Post Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 1:53 pm 
 

It does read like it was written in a hurry, being a trove of unredacted Gygaxian prose with minimal copyediting for 20th-century syntax.

The rules are sort of interesting just in they fact that they exist. They're 2D6-based rather than D20. I guess it could be hypothetically similar to OD&D's D6 Chainmail stats, but haven't really scrutinized it for such.

In any event they are one more incarnation of the game, a footnote but with implications. During the time that TSR was exploding onto mass-market shelves, it remained a small independent company, resisting whatever corporate sellout offers it presumably received a the time. Soon it would reign in licensed modules published by other companies such as Judges Guild, becoming even more insular.

Yet somehow they agreed to let another publisher [Troubador Press] put out an alternate version of the rules with the title "official" right there at the top of the cover. Official AD&D no less, a rules system TSR was still in the process of completing with the DMG that same year [1979].

So the first complete version of Gygax' AD&D wasn't technically the one published by TSR, but the one included with the coloring book. Obviously the notational system used by the Acaeum & all other collectors is in error  & must be corrected immediately.

Troubador Press' 2D6-AD&D is henceforth AD&D 1st edition, & should probably receive a new forum board [above Collecting General-TSR, to be entitled Collecting General-Coloring Books].

TSR's AD&D is now corrected-2nd-edition [1977-1987] & corrected-3rd-edition [1988-1999]. 3.0 is unaffected since it's still the 3rd edition of D&D [woodgrain box to 1990s Mystara supplements = D&D 1, AD&D = D&D 2, Hasbro D&D = 3].

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Post Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 2:28 pm 
 

Troubador Press' 2D6-AD&D seems analogous to Neanderthals on the D&D evolutionary family tree.  :P

How fascinating!

  


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Post Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 10:51 pm 
 

Beyondthebreach wrote:Bumping an old thread . . . Now,  I'm not trying to get your hopes up or anything Allan :D  , but I was just reading the AD&D Coloring Album.


Well, your bump certainly got my heart thumping until I read a bit further ;)  I hadn't really thought about the possibility of the two being related, but, now having thought about, I think there's little overlap between the two :D

Beyondthebreach wrote:Anyway, I wonder if it is even remotely possible that the designer of this adventure used the plot line of the Coloring Book as a springboard to a more detailed tourney.  

I don't suppose any of the illos ring a bell?


No, the illos in the coloring album are very different from those I recall, alas....


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Post Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 12:12 am 
 

I've been searching my memory and I can't think of anyplace besides the Coloring Album and your tourney where Tiamat is referred to as the Dragon Queen.


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