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Post Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 5:15 pm 
 

I picked up a nice copy of the 1st print in January and saw another on Ebay last December (that sold for about $16) so they are still out there to be found.

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Post Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 12:57 pm 
 

Hi everyone,



i was reading this topic and i am very interested in this game, but nowadays it is very difficult to find a copy, even on ebay.



I was wondering if someone has a pdf copy, since i read that some users scanned its pages.



thanks a lot,



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Post Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 1:01 pm 
 

Unfortunately, this is probably the only thing I didn't PDF. I doubt there is, or ever will be, a PDF copy of this. You see, in order to PDF it, you need to cut off the spine. It'd perfect bound. I don't imagine anyone will destroy a copy just to make a PDF. They're not as mad as me.


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Post Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 1:34 pm 
 

but i read in the thread that the user "avernus dis" scanned it...i tried to contact him but to no avail..

  

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Post Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 1:44 pm 
 

Ah. Well maybe there is one out there. Someone here has (or had) the ear of the author.


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Post Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 2:10 pm 
 

can someone give me at least a glimpse/clue about this game?

How is the system? is it complex? is it "rules-heavy"?

Does it show the signs of time or is it still playable?

  


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Post Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 2:57 pm 
 

:D Just a thought.. :D
Maybe someone could hammer out a retro clone...

  


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Post Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 3:04 pm 
 

bdfiscus wrote::D Just a thought.. :D
Maybe someone could hammer out a retro clone...


I think this is a rule system and everything already...just need to get a copy of it.  :D

  

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Post Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 3:05 pm 
 

There is a pdf. I will not give it to anyone as both the author of the work, and the person who performed the pdfing gave instructions that it was not to be distributed. I never did hear back about the option to reprint, which is a shame since I am within a few months of being my own print house (well, sort of.)


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Post Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 3:11 pm 
 

serleran wrote:There is a pdf. I will not give it to anyone as both the author of the work, and the person who performed the pdfing gave instructions that it was not to be distributed. I never did hear back about the option to reprint, which is a shame since I am within a few months of being my own print house (well, sort of.)

Holy Moly! Now I'm jealous. :oops:
Now I gotta make me one of them.


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Post Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 5:18 pm 
 

serleran wrote:I never did hear back about the option to reprint, which is a shame since I am within a few months of being my own print house (well, sort of.)


I tracked down the guy who the author mentioned as someone who might have a bunch of copies but couldn't get in contact with the author.  My impression was that he was looking at either reprinting or revising and reprinting so distributing a pdf would probably be against his wishes.

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Post Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 3:52 am 
 

this is the way games die.

You don't want to distribute your pdf to the world? ok.
Ok, but someone should at least try to print and distribute it again to the masses.

It's a real pity how an interesting game, albeit "old-fashioned" is doomed to disappear forever.

  

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Post Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 9:58 am 
 

teuzzo wrote:this is the way games die....

It's a real pity how an interesting game, albeit "old-fashioned" is doomed to disappear forever.

Games don't 'die' or 'disappear forever'. At most, they become rediculously epensive and disappear into the collections of those who can afford them. Until the guy who writes it is dead, and has been dead for seventy years, he has absolute right over what happens to, or does not happen to his personal work.

The only possible argement that can be had is one on the moral obligation a creator may have to the public to ensure that works 'survive', and I'm sure that steps have been taken to ensure that happens. If Serl has a PDF copy knowingly with the author's consent, then we know that the author and the creator also have copies, and the odds are very high that other select trusted individuals do too. So the author has taken steps to ensure his work survives. I am sure Serl, or some others, will make sure they maintain their electronic copies and keep them backed up, and come their 80th birthdays, when everyone has forgotten about these things, when most of those involved are with their makers, and when public opinion or current legistlation has changed, maybe they'll be ensuring their private and rare PDFs are passed along to other trusted individuals.

So these things WILL NOT die. It's just a matter of how much a person wished to invest to get access to something which is rare. That is the nature of collecting rare books. And believe me, $80 a copy is nothing compared to some of the rare unpublished manuscripts that we've seen pass through eBay and into private collections. And most of those have no safeguards (no digital backup).


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Post Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 10:09 am 
 

There is a copy on Amazon for $100.

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Post Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 10:17 am 
 

Mars wrote:There is a copy on Amazon for $100.

Well, if it's in EX condition or above, it's probably a fair price. IIRC, there is also an eratta sheet which is more often than not missing, and a product called Geomorphic Wilderness Hexagons which is rediculously rare.


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Post Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 12:46 pm 
 

Not sure about an errata sheet - I think you are thinking of What Price Glory?!.

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Post Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 1:41 pm 
 

yes, but the benefit of sharing is that anyone in the world will get the opportunity of trying/enjoying this game again.

Sharing in this case may mean distributing a pdf copy or printing a real copy one more time.

What is the purpose of it all- if only a few person currently have this game in their hands in the entire world?

Each of us should be given the chance of enjoying such an experience.

  

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Post Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 1:41 pm 
 

by the way, do you know how close to the original "BM&G" rules are these rules?

http://orion.math.iastate.edu/danwell/Hgaming.html

  

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Post Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 1:57 pm 
 

Going by those rules, teuzzo, anytime an entity decides to stop producing a product, temporarily or permanently, it should become public domain. That doesn't work well.


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Post Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 3:10 pm 
 

teuzzo wrote:yes, but the benefit of sharing is that anyone in the world will get the opportunity of trying/enjoying this game again.

Sharing in this case may mean distributing a pdf copy or printing a real copy one more time.

What is the purpose of it all- if only a few person currently have this game in their hands in the entire world?

Each of us should be given the chance of enjoying such an experience.

Yes, I see your point. Personally, I'd like to enjoy the feel of a small bowl of diamonds, but Debeers think differently and control the flow of that commodity to the market. They don't even hold patent or copyright over that product. You can't really complain that no-one will pirate or rip-off a writer or designer just because you cannot be bothered buying your own copy. If you felt so strongly about it, you'd pony up your $100 and take the chance of legal repocussions yourself.


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