bbarsh wrote:Badmike wrote:Top secret is a great game and we played it quite a bit. But the number crunching required all players to have a calculator at hand and gun battles slowed to a crawl...making the most exciting part of the game into doing math problems. Some of the same complaints about 3e as I recall :D Mike BThe blasphemer now compares Top Secret to TETSNBN!!!!! I am now scheduling an earlier flight (regardless of the fact that he speaks the truth that TS is very "math" heavy. Still, a blasphemy is a blasphemy.)
Badmike wrote:Top secret is a great game and we played it quite a bit. But the number crunching required all players to have a calculator at hand and gun battles slowed to a crawl...making the most exciting part of the game into doing math problems. Some of the same complaints about 3e as I recall :D Mike B
Badmike wrote:The 2nd edition of Top Secret was really quite a good system...Mike B.
bbarsh wrote:Badmike wrote:The 2nd edition of Top Secret was really quite a good system...Mike B.This horror will not end! Time to summon the Jun Horde and head to Texas! The Blasphemer must be stopped!.
bbarsh wrote:Badmike wrote:The 2nd edition of Top Secret was really quite a good system...Mike B.This horror will not end! Time to summon the Jun Horde and head to Texas! The Blasphemer must be stopped!Now, if you want to throw Top Secret S/I on the heap of crap games, I am in. It's like Sean Connery James Bond vs. Pierce Brosnan James Bond.
Badmike wrote:bbarsh wrote:This horror will not end! Time to summon the Jun Horde and head to Texas! The Blasphemer must be stopped!Now, if you want to throw Top Secret S/I on the heap of crap games, I am in. It's like Sean Connery James Bond vs. Pierce Brosnan James Bond.Maybe I'll run a 2E Top Secret/SI game to run at the con. You can run a 1E game, I'll finish the mission and you'll still be rolling up gun stats..... Mike B.
bbarsh wrote:This horror will not end! Time to summon the Jun Horde and head to Texas! The Blasphemer must be stopped!Now, if you want to throw Top Secret S/I on the heap of crap games, I am in. It's like Sean Connery James Bond vs. Pierce Brosnan James Bond.
bbarsh wrote:Badmike wrote:Maybe I'll run a 2E Top Secret/SI game to run at the con. You can run a 1E game, I'll finish the mission and you'll still be rolling up gun stats..... Mike B.Oh, It's on! You run your SI and I will run 1e. While our group is having ours shaken (not stirred) and having a blast, your group will be wondering how they get back the last few hours of their lives they just dumped down the crapper. Back to a more serious note. I do have to admit that I do like more mathematical complex games: Champions (first couple editions), Star Fleet Battles, et al. And Top Secret does require a bit of work, but it is all worth it. Besides, how hard can it be if a bunch of teen agers figured it out?
Badmike wrote:Maybe I'll run a 2E Top Secret/SI game to run at the con. You can run a 1E game, I'll finish the mission and you'll still be rolling up gun stats..... Mike B.
Badmike wrote:bbarsh wrote:Oh, It's on! You run your SI and I will run 1e. While our group is having ours shaken (not stirred) and having a blast, your group will be wondering how they get back the last few hours of their lives they just dumped down the crapper. Back to a more serious note. I do have to admit that I do like more mathematical complex games: Champions (first couple editions), Star Fleet Battles, et al. And Top Secret does require a bit of work, but it is all worth it. Besides, how hard can it be if a bunch of teen agers figured it out?yeh Champions is another...we started out with Villains and Vigilantes, which has some math but not to the extent of Champions. When we tried Champions, it just took too long, we soon went back to V&V. I'd still rather play V&V to this day.Mike B.
bbarsh wrote:Oh, It's on! You run your SI and I will run 1e. While our group is having ours shaken (not stirred) and having a blast, your group will be wondering how they get back the last few hours of their lives they just dumped down the crapper. Back to a more serious note. I do have to admit that I do like more mathematical complex games: Champions (first couple editions), Star Fleet Battles, et al. And Top Secret does require a bit of work, but it is all worth it. Besides, how hard can it be if a bunch of teen agers figured it out?
bbarsh wrote:Oh, It's on! You run your SI and I will run 1e. While our group is having ours shaken (not stirred) and having a blast, your group will be wondering how they get back the last few hours of their lives they just dumped down the crapper.
Badmike wrote:Back to Worst Game System, did anyone here ever try to play Powers and Perils? I don't have a copy anymore but I distinctly remember saying "WTF?" several times while reading through the boxed set.Mike B.
Chucho68 wrote:bbarsh wrote:Oh, It's on! You run your SI and I will run 1e. While our group is having ours shaken (not stirred) and having a blast, your group will be wondering how they get back the last few hours of their lives they just dumped down the crapper. Oh my goodness...the allure of a Top Secret game...must resist...can't go to NTRPG...maybe I can squeeze it in... hector.
Chucho68 wrote:Holy sh*t! I'm giving serious thought to it now!And just to, maybe, play a game I haven't even looked at in more than 20 years...Jesus H. Christ.Hector.
bbarsh wrote:I know it is a long way for you H, but you show up and you will definately enjoy the event.
Toric wrote:Bill speaks the truth about NTRPGCon. I attended last year and it was my first real Con experience. I can't even begin to put into words how much fun I had! Hoping to be able to attend again this year.Regarding Top Secret, the original is so much better than the SI version. The SI version might be a decent set of rules but I've never been able to really get through a reading of it because it is so bland. The original has so much more character and quirkiness. And I honestly don't remember it being that complex of a system out of the box. I do remember some Dragon articles that added things like stopping power of different types of bullets that really increased the complexity but the rules in the original red rulebook were easy enough to comprehend. Yes, there was some math involved and some table lookups but overall it was a blast to play.So Bill, are you adding an original TS game to the schedule for this years Con? :wink:
