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Post Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 7:14 pm 
 

I don't know if any of you guys ordered a copy of the new DG rule book.
In the last few days there have been several postings at Yog-Sothoth about the interior pages separating from the cover.
Just got mine in the mail today and this is what people are referring to when they talk about the cover separation: :cry:

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Post Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 7:38 pm 
 

jasonw1239 wrote:I don't know if any of you guys ordered a copy of the new DG rule book.
In the last few days there have been several postings at Yog-Sothoth about the interior pages separating from the cover.
Just got mine in the mail today and this is what people are referring to when they talk about the cover separation: :cry:


Hmm, maybe LW Has returned to the RPG scene, this time working covertly for Chaosium!  8O  My Unearthed Arcana looked just like that, less than one full week after I bought it back in 1985.  :cry:


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Post Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 7:56 pm 
 

That's mild compared to the fragmentation grenade detonation that was Oriental Adventures.

Even today, I open any copy I come across with the pages aimed away from my face.


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Post Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 7:59 pm 
 

I truly do miss the "textbook" quality of the original MM, DMG & PHB.

Pagan outsourced the reprint to EOS Press who in turn had the books printed in China. :evil:

They may have done it to save money, but with the shape that Pagan has been in for the last few years, this could be their deathknell...


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Post Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 11:30 pm 
 

Jason:  any word on if the DG:EO reprint will be through the same folks/printer?


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Post Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 7:37 am 
 

grodog wrote:Jason:  any word on if the DG:EO reprint will be through the same folks/printer?


Not sure. The only thing mentioned in any of the postings by Dennis is that EO is being published by Arc Dream.
I don't have any Arc Dream products so I cannot offer an opinion on their quality. http://www.arcdream.com/


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Post Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 10:45 am 
 

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Not sure. The only thing mentioned in any of the postings by Dennis is that EO is being published by Arc Dream.
I don't have any Arc Dream products so I cannot offer an opinion on their quality. http://www.arcdream.com/


Jason, are they taking returns on the books if they fall apart?

I'm not forking out $40+ for defective merchandise....that, or I'll take the pieces down to the printing store and have them professionally bound and send the bill to Pagan....

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Post Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 11:10 am 
 

I sent an email to Pagan Publishing and also to the online store where I purchased the book (FRP Games).
So far I have not heard from either of them.  :(


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Post Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 11:48 am 
 

grodog wrote:Jason:  any word on if the DG:EO reprint will be through the same folks/printer?


Allan, as a follow up I asked that question to Dennis on his blog and got the following response:
No. The book will be printed and bound by the same company that did WILD TALENTS (which, I'm happy to note, had no such problems).
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Post Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 12:09 pm 
 

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Jason: any word on if the DG:EO reprint will be through the same folks/printer?


Allan, as a follow up I asked that question to Dennis on his blog and got the following response:
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No. The book will be printed and bound by the same company that did WILD TALENTS (which, I'm happy to note, had no such problems).
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Well that's good....I was about to cancel my credit card order for the DG EO books I ordered....

When are people going to learn cheaper is not always better....China is pretty much being proven as unreliable contractors (look at the pet food scandal).  

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Post Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 9:11 am 
 

Ok, this is a note from me in an attempt to be "fair & balanced" to Pagan Publishing.  (Also commentary on two online stores)

I received another copy of the new DG this morning that I had ordered from the Arkham Bazaar website.

My initial observation was that it was just shoved in a tight fitting bubble wrap envelope and not boxed like the copy that came in from FRP Games.

Three of the four corners of the book are showing bumping damage incurred during transit, but the book itself still has the cover attached to its innards.

Opening the cover carefully, I did hear the ominous light crunching sounds of a new book that will soon part with its cover.

As reluctant as I am to do so, before using this in game play I think that I shall have to tape the insides of the covers along the spine. My overall opinion of the binding job is that it looks pretty but by trying to save money getting them printed in China they ended up with an inferior product.

The FRP shipment came in a sturdy carboard box with the book surrounded (but not tightly packed) with foam peanuts. I believe that while this method may have preserved the outward appearance and prevented bumping of the corners, there was sufficient room during transit for the book to work loose from the cover.

It might be interesting for Pagan to track the number of claims for damaged books based on the shipping method (bubble wrap or box).

Note: I will be cross posting this particular message over to a thread about the new DG problems at Yog-Sothoth.com


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Post Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 9:28 am 
 

jasonw1239 wrote:Ok, this is a note from me in an attempt to be "fair & balanced" to Pagan Publishing.  (Also commentary on two online stores)

I received another copy of the new DG this morning that I had ordered from the Arkham Bazaar website.

My initial observation was that it was just shoved in a tight fitting bubble wrap envelope and not boxed like the copy that came in from FRP Games.

Three of the four corners of the book are showing bumping damage incurred during transit, but the book itself still has the cover attached to its innards.

Opening the cover carefully, I did hear the ominous light crunching sounds of a new book that will soon part with its cover.

As reluctant as I am to do so, before using this in game play I think that I shall have to tape the insides of the covers along the spine. My overall opinion of the binding job is that it looks pretty but by trying to save money getting them printed in China they ended up with an inferior product.

The FRP shipment came in a sturdy carboard box with the book surrounded (but not tightly packed) with foam peanuts. I believe that while this method may have preserved the outward appearance and prevented bumping of the corners, there was sufficient room during transit for the book to work loose from the cover.

It might be interesting for Pagan to track the number of claims for damaged books based on the shipping method (bubble wrap or box).

Note: I will be cross posting this particular message over to a thread about the new DG problems at Yog-Sothoth.com


My FLGS had some copies in the other day.....all displayed the ominous "crunching" sounds when opened or handled.  I think your method is the best one, Jason....if you are buying a copy for personal use, just use some heavy tape on the interior cover.  I guess I'm just going to keep my original book, now that I've seen the new one.  Interesting to see how many of these will end up on the secondary market with the covers practically detached....

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Post Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 9:44 am 
 

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My FLGS had some copies in the other day.....all displayed the ominous "crunching" sounds when opened or handled.  I think your method is the best one, Jason....if you are buying a copy for personal use, just use some heavy tape on the interior cover.  I guess I'm just going to keep my original book, now that I've seen the new one.  Interesting to see how many of these will end up on the secondary market with the covers practically detached....

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On the plus side, five years from now, a near mint copy of this DG hardcover should appreciate in value just from the rarity. :wink:


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Post Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 7:19 pm 
 

As a follow up to the "broken book" I received.
This morning I had a message from A.Scott Glancy from Pagan Publishing asking for my address to send an unbroken book to me. He is going to honor his initial statement of replacing books with broken bindings.
There is still no word on how many this effects but if I had a FLGS that was going to get them in stock, I would wait until I could examine it before buying.


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