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Post Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 11:59 am 
 

burntwire brothers wrote:I figured most of the "Free" product will go to store employees and friends of the store owners. Hope I don't waste all of my Saturday running around the whole state in search of something that the general public doesn't have a chanceof getting.

I thought I was cynical.  Then again, if I can ride Badmike's coattails to get swag, I am proving you right.   :?

From the publishers' standpoint, what constitutes a successful Free RPG Day?  Finding new customers?  Getting visibility amongst existing gamers?  Selling more product over the next 12 months?  Making stores happy?

No need to get freaked out over this; just send James Mishler an e-mail bitching about it.   :wink:  :wink:  :wink:

  

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Post Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 2:26 pm 
 

At least we will be visiting many Hobby stores that I have never visited before. Hopefully we will be able to score something, either a freebee or some cool OOP items.

I called our local Hobby Shop today and asked if they were participating and they had never heard anything 8O . They have 4 stores around the state and the only store listed on the Free RPG is the Bloomington one. The other local gaming store isn't participating either.

  


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Post Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 3:01 pm 
 

"From the publishers' standpoint, what constitutes a successful Free RPG Day?"

I'd imagine that the kids who frequent the stores would be the primary audience. Hopefully the kids get free games and then the other regular customers.

  I don't know why a store would feel obligated to give away anything to some random adults who showed up for "free games" showing no intention of returning until the next "free games"... The Ebay problem exists here as well.

  


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Post Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 3:17 pm 
 

The goal of Free RPG Day as stated by Impressions was to get "lapsed" RPG players interested in gaming again.

My personal goal with participating in Free RPG Day was to get word out about the Wilderlands of High Adventure and Castles & Crusades to as many people as possible, new gamers or old, RPG players or not.

As editor of a magazine and a website, I earn my living based on advertising (I've also worked in advertising, marketing, and public relations in this industry for more than a decade... yeah, you might see why I'm cynical and bitter at times).

As far as RPGs go, this is one of the best ways to advertise. You actually get a sample of your product in players hands. Hopefully, they will actually play with the product. Ideally, they will enjoy it and desire more products of the same sort.

Whether it will work... I dunno. The market right now is so fractured, and the economy stinking so badly, I have no idea if it will work, and if it does, how well it will work.

I gotta say I'm real nervous about who is actually going to get these products... if they simply disappear into store employee/owner hands for sale on eBay, that would suck big time. If that happens extensively, there's no way in hell I'll participate next year, success or no, unless the retailers are paying for the products...


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Post Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 5:05 pm 
 

Tharizdun wrote:"From the publishers' standpoint, what constitutes a successful Free RPG Day?"

I'd imagine that the kids who frequent the stores would be the primary audience. Hopefully the kids get free games and then the other regular customers.

  I don't know why a store would feel obligated to give away anything to some random adults who showed up for "free games" showing no intention of returning until the next "free games"... The Ebay problem exists here as well.




The store should feel obligated to give out the product because it's STATED purpose is to GIVE OUT FREE GAME PRODUCT ON FREE GAME DAY.  Not to make a "value" judgement on who is and isn't going to come back next week.  Frankly, if I get a free game and it's something I like, I WILL return to buy that game. And I have a helluva lot more spending power than some kid, who is just as likely to blow his allowance on pokemon cards as Castles and Crusades.

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Post Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 5:29 pm 
 

jamesmishler wrote:I gotta say I'm real nervous about who is actually going to get these products... if they simply disappear into store employee/owner hands for sale on eBay, that would suck big time. If that happens extensively, there's no way in hell I'll participate next year, success or no, unless the retailers are paying for the products...


As a store owner and a collector, I will admit I did skim off the top for my collection and then I used some to bribe a friend to run a game in store tomorrow, but I still have 65 items to give away.


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Post Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 6:00 pm 
 

"Not to make a "value" judgement on who is and isn't going to come back next week."

The store has to make a "value" judgement if the supply is seriously limited.




"And I have a helluva lot more spending power than some kid, who is just as likely to blow his allowance on pokemon cards as Castles and Crusades."

Sounds like you don't like kids. When I was a kid, all the older AH  Bookcase guys didn't like me and my friends so much so we all played D&D. TSR did really well during that time and AH didn't do so well  :wink:

  

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Post Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 6:08 pm 
 

jamesmishler wrote:The goal of Free RPG Day as stated by Impressions was to get "lapsed" RPG players interested in gaming again.

My personal goal with participating in Free RPG Day was to get word out about the Wilderlands of High Adventure and Castles & Crusades to as many people as possible, new gamers or old, RPG players or not.

As editor of a magazine and a website, I earn my living based on advertising (I've also worked in advertising, marketing, and public relations in this industry for more than a decade... yeah, you might see why I'm cynical and bitter at times).

As far as RPGs go, this is one of the best ways to advertise. You actually get a sample of your product in players hands. Hopefully, they will actually play with the product. Ideally, they will enjoy it and desire more products of the same sort.

Whether it will work... I dunno. The market right now is so fractured, and the economy stinking so badly, I have no idea if it will work, and if it does, how well it will work.

I gotta say I'm real nervous about who is actually going to get these products... if they simply disappear into store employee/owner hands for sale on eBay, that would suck big time. If that happens extensively, there's no way in hell I'll participate next year, success or no, unless the retailers are paying for the products...


For the record I think it's a great idea.  Whether or not the stores plan to do their part isn't really something the publisher can control.  IMO, and this is just me, a possible solution would be to devalue the worth of any such free game item to the point that "hoarding" copies for online sales, say, would not be effective.  Doing this would require either printing tons of copies to flood the market, or releasing the items as free pdfs the day after.  
 Anytime a "collectible" is released in a limited quantity under specific conditions, there is a type of mentality that takes over...seen with Beanie Babies, for example.  
  C&C seems like a really, really cool product. I really hope this takes off.  I know I'll be buying most of the supplements.

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Post Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 6:12 pm 
 

Tharizdun wrote:"Not to make a "value" judgement on who is and isn't going to come back next week."

The store has to make a "value" judgement if the supply is seriously limited.




"And I have a helluva lot more spending power than some kid, who is just as likely to blow his allowance on pokemon cards as Castles and Crusades."

Sounds like you don't like kids. When I was a kid, all the older AH  Bookcase guys didn't like me and my friends so much so we all played D&D. TSR did really well during that time and AH didn't do so well  :wink:


I like kids. But like any generation gap, I could care less for what amuses them (D&D edition 3.5, pokemon, video games, etc). Frankly, the local game/comic stores that succeed DONT cater to children...not only are kids not interested in the comics, minis, board games, and RPGS on the shelves, they are fickle at best, and their disposable income could go to different things different weeks...they aren't the most reliable or loyal of customers.  Myself, however, and many like me, reliable belly up to the game store counter every week and drop $20-$100 on goodies.  Show me a game store catering to kids, I'll show you an empty storefront in a few years.

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Post Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 6:57 pm 
 

I'm with the group that thinks this is a great idea. A publisher cannot help if a gaming store owner doesn't promote the event, or stashes ALL the goodies for resale on ebay, or is an idiot and shoots himself in the foot. But eventually, the free market will take care of this, and bozo X will go out of business.

(While there might be some bad apples that take advantage of the free RPG day publishers, they are, IMHO, the exceptions.)

It would behoove us as customers to note that the publishers are all taking an finanacial hit to do a favor to the stores and the customers. You think James has money to drop on 10,000 copies of his wilderlands city?

Heck no. That's money out of his pocket, and, in this day and age, we should all be disabused of the idea that most RPG publishers have money to burn. This is true of most the publishers in the free rpg day group (with perhaps the exception of White Wolf).

They all are owner operated, with the owners taking a hit by providing free product, in the hopes that it might aid game stores' chances of survival in the age of the internet.

And finally, it would behoove the publishers, IMHO, to recognize that any these disaffected posts are just from players who desperately want your product. We might not have said it in that way, but if we're pissed that we can't find random copy of product X, it is just because we love your line so much.

So, thank you, James and Co., and please do Free RPG day again next year, and if possible, find a way to make it bigger.

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Post Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 7:20 pm 
 

OK, I went to Lone Star and spent money on comics and bags today.  I went to the Mesquite, Mockingbird (main), and Irving stores.

I imagine customers are limited to one piece of product per store, though who knows what will happen.

Mesquite  hasn't unpacked the swag yet.  The employee that I spoke with said that hoarding the swag doesn't make any sense for the store.

Main Store has unpacked the swag but has no idea what's going to happen with it other than giving it away.  Demos of games, but no requirements of playing them.

Irving has no restrictions other than one piece per customer so it doesn't run out after the first 8 customers.  I mentioned Badmike's rage, errr,  findings, and the employee was puzzled.  I mentioned what the Mesquite employee said, and he agreed that having the stuff sit in the back of the store doesn't do the store any good.  I also said that we were trying to send stuff overseas, and they though that was cool.

Sooo . . . Your Mileage May Vary Astronomically tomorrow.  Badmike and King's stores are at one end of the spectrum, and mine are at the other.

I wonder if the big Cthulhu plush counts as a 20%-off RPG product if I say that I'm going to use it as a 25mm miniature.  :)

  

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Post Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 7:42 pm 
 

jamesmishler wrote:I gotta say I'm real nervous about who is actually going to get these products... if they simply disappear into store employee/owner hands for sale on eBay, that would suck big time.

If this does happen again next year, perhaps all of the products could be shipped to a single publisher and then shrinkwrapped or securely bagged as sets so that all of the swag is given out to a customer.   If I can get only one or a few pieces per store, then I'll have the DCC module and the Castles and Crusades rules and not much else.  :(

I'll STFU since I am commenting from ignorance and the peanut gallery . . .

James, you and the others have cojones to get involved with this endeavor.  Now the RPG community will have a single data point (better than nothing) with which to gauge future promotions.

  


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Post Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 8:54 pm 
 

Go visit Nobleknight dot com..... :wink:


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Post Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 9:12 pm 
 

I just called the FLGS and they've never heard of it. The first question was: "is this officially sanctioned by WotC?" Seems the store only supports RPGA events like "Worldwide D&D Day." Lame.


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Post Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 10:27 pm 
 

IttyBitty wrote:Go visit Nobleknight dot com..... :wink:


Interesting...

I wonder how he was able to get more than one pack? I'll have to talk with Impressions... not that I mind, as he's doing the right thing with them. Limit 3 for walk-in customers, limit 3 per order for online customers ($0.01 each plus shipping). He certainly seems to be keeping the spirit of it... like he says, he could charge collector's prices. I'm glad he isn't.

I remember when he had the www.judgesguild.com URL, and let the Necro guys have it for nothing. Seems like a stand-up guy.

Of course, he's got my product labeled as a "Troll Lord Games" product. Eh, that, I can deal with...


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Post Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 10:32 pm 
 

:)

Just means you'll have to put out more products before you get your own category.

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Post Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 11:09 pm 
 

Aaron @ Noble Knight is a VERY stand-up guy. He gets 100% of my online business, both buying & selling.  I've sold him a ton of stuff over the years, and bought way more in return!  :lol:

In every experience I've ever had with him, he's been the definition of professional.  I consider NobleKnight to be the gold standard by which all online RPG stores are measured.  :D

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Post Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 10:45 am 
 

Damn it! The stupid NKG website took half an hour to process the step after the shipping method selection so, by the time it finally loaded, I'd lost the DCC from my cart. Whatever. Should NOT have taken that f'n long to load the page, and it was NOT my side of the link. Needless, I'm pissed, but not at them. I just think it sucks beyond belief. Oh well. So goes collecting life for me... dangle it before my eyes, let me think I might have a chance, and then let someone else steal it away. ;) Damnit.


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Post Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 10:54 am 
 

JohnGaunt wrote:If this does happen again next year, perhaps all of the products could be shipped to a single publisher and then shrinkwrapped or securely bagged as sets so that all of the swag is given out to a customer.   If I can get only one or a few pieces per store, then I'll have the DCC module and the Castles and Crusades rules and not much else.  :(

I'll STFU since I am commenting from ignorance and the peanut gallery . . .

James, you and the others have cojones to get involved with this endeavor.  Now the RPG community will have a single data point (better than nothing) with which to gauge future promotions.


The first time something like this happens, there are always snafus.  I hope this day continues and gets more converts along the way.  I definitely will make it very clear to my FLGS that I am stopping in today specifically because of the Free Game Day and making a purchase accordingly. Also make it clear when I go by a Lone Star Comics today if they aren't giving out any product (despite having the advertising hung around their store) that I will be bringing my business elsewhere (not surprised if the 18 year old kid at the counter shrugs and says "Whatever, dude").

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Post Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 11:06 am 
 

Well my order has processed and gotten a tracking # from Nobleknight...should hopefully get it by Tuesday I'm guessing.

Site was a bit awkward when I tried it yesterday, but after 3 separate times I got to the final conclusion of getting an order through.

Course seems other sites are having problems..Green Ronin is giving away 3 PDFs (could not get things printed in time for this day), but the store front is F***ed up as it won't allow me to get anything, and the forums seem to be down..and can't even contact them through the 'contact us' page..

Shall have to see how Piazo does when they post their free PDF in a few days I believe..oh well..kinks for next year to be sorted out.

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