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Post Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 11:09 pm 
 

I just bought a few hundred old miniatures and guess what should up

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An old pumpkin head bugbear :lol:
I never new this one was ever produced, it was made in 1976 (makes sense)  The manufacture name is scribed on the bottom but hard to read.

Anybody know who made this :?


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Post Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 11:34 pm 
 

Potentially...

viewtopic.php?p=45864&highlight=pumpkin+head#45864

lordan wrote:
Just couldn't resist that pumpkin head bugbear.....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 8763554144


ebay auction wrote:This is a Archive Miniature (Fantasy Miniature) #5032 "Dungeon Nasties, Bearowl, Bugbear, Winkdog and Rotting Crawler" sealed in it's original package.  I believe the figures to be from the 80's and are made of lead.


Here's a website with a list of Archive Miniature Dungeon Nasties:
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~tpope/sol/archiv ... sties.html

751  Violet Worms
752  Slimes
753  Molds
754  Black Puddings
755  Owl Bears
756  Giant Ticks
757  Eleven-Eyed Floaters
758  Giant Bats
759  Giant Toads
760  Rust Eaters
761  Rotting Crawlers
762  Wink Dogs
763  Werebears
764  Bugbears
765  Ochres/ Shamblers
766  Rope Monster
767  Spoolts
768  Giant Rats
769  Giant Boring Beetles
770  Stag Beetles
771  Giant Snakes
772  Lizard Men
773  Giant Ogre
774  Giant Lizards
775  Amber Hulk
776  Weretigers
777  Skeletons
778  Wolfmen
779  Wereboar (Pigman)
780  Hellwolf
781  Sea Demons
782  Throons
783  Phraint
784  Deodanths
785  Wobras
798  Sharkadillio         




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Post Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 11:43 pm 
 

Awesome thanks man :D


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Post Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 7:51 am 
 

Blackmoor wrote:Anybody know who made this :?

As zhowar said, it's an Archive mini.  The base gives it away --- the strange shape of the base and the groove around the top of the base mark it as an Archive.

  

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Post Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 10:16 am 
 

Hi all,

This is actually a Jack O'Bear miniature. As others have stated, it was made by Archive Miniatures in the 70s. Bugbears usually didn't have a pumpkin for a head. The best place to see the inspiration for this miniature is on the cover of the Chaosium Griffin Mountain Runequest supplement. Oddly, it isn't listed as one of Archive's or RKiiv's Runequest miniatures.

Orclord has one of these minis in his SOLegends gallery:
http://www.sodemons.com/rhgallery/rharcjackobears.htm

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Post Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 10:19 am 
 

Hmmm, surprising.  I thought it was modelled after the original bugbear, as depicted in one of the OD&D supplements (was it Greyhawk?).

Speaking of Archive, I've got a bunch of their original molds (as well as production right to the minis), but alas, not the pumpkinhead.


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Post Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 10:24 am 
 

bombadil wrote:Speaking of Archive, I've got a bunch of their original molds (as well as production right to the minis), but alas, not the pumpkinhead.

Seriously, you should do some new casts!  Your use of the old molds will wear them out, but you would be the source of some original-mold recasts.

  


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Post Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 10:35 am 
 

JohnGaunt wrote:Seriously, you should do some new casts!  Your use of the old molds will wear them out, but you would be the source of some original-mold recasts.


Seconded!


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Post Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 12:28 pm 
 

bombadil wrote:Hmmm, surprising.  I thought it was modelled after the original bugbear, as depicted in one of the OD&D supplements (was it Greyhawk?).

Speaking of Archive, I've got a bunch of their original molds (as well as production right to the minis), but alas, not the pumpkinhead.


It was Greyhawk, which molds do you have?


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Post Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 12:39 pm 
 

I'll have a look when I get home.  

I've also got master-castings (and production rights) for some Archive minis for which the original molds no longer exist.


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Post Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 12:58 pm 
 

bombadil wrote:I'll have a look when I get home.  

I've also got master-castings (and production rights) for some Archive minis for which the original molds no longer exist.


Very cool :)


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Post Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 4:10 pm 
 

The molds all look like this:

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Massive rubber, and heavy.  A really nice "piece" of history there, if you know what I mean.

I have the following Archive minis molds:

RKV-043 (pictured):  Hobbit B, 1979
RKV-065:  werebear, sculpted 1977 (I think), mold date 1980
RKV-119:  Cimmerian with broadsword and shield, unknown date
RKV-229:  Conan on horse (a massive set of one 9-inch and one 12-inch mold); sculpted 1977 (I think), mold date 19980
RKV-230:  Giant Frog, 1977-78?
RKV-035:  unicorn for mounted gnome princess
RKV-165-166:  gnome princess rider, centaur

I also have the master castings (mold no longer in existence or use) for RKV-177:  Basilisk (8-legged lizard).

As mentioned above, I've also got the production rights for the above molds and master castings.  According to the documents, I'm the 5th owner of the rights and molds.

Interestingly, all of the documents state that the molds are original from the 1970's but I think what they mean is that the sculptures that the molds are made from are from the 1970's.  Some of the molds clearly have "1980" painted on them.

I thought I had the master castings for the old tree man (ent) and something else, but can't seem to find them.  I've also got a few scattered castings including the pumpkinhead, old tree man, elf magic-user with rod, a bunch of the hobbits, werebear, and that's probably about it.

Man, I love the old Archive minis!   8)


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Post Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 5:55 pm 
 

Those Archive minis are the best -- can't you just smell that old-school aura? (For those whose browsers don't support olfactory transmission, 'old school aura' = Fritos & spilled beer).

I always used to think that mini was a jack o'bear too, but since the date's 1976, a mark-1 (Greyhawk) bugbear seems more likely.  Rick, could you please tell us when  jack o'bears first appeared in print?  Was it RQ1?  I don't have either White Bear Red Moon or Nomad Gods to check.

For that matter, when did TSR abandon the pumpkin-head and move over to the 'hairy hobgoblin' bugbear?  Compared to the oddity of this mini, the "normal" bugbear is kinda bland. :)


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Post Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 8:12 pm 
 

Here's a whole Dragonsfoot thread dedicated to the Jack-o-bear.

http://www.dragonsfoot.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=20208

No references to this miniature, though. I tend to think it's based on the Greyhawk bugbear pic because the Archive mini packaging refers to "bugbear" (see the auction linked above, posted originally by lordan).

stumbling tiger wrote:For that matter, when did TSR abandon the pumpkin-head and move over to the 'hairy hobgoblin' bugbear? Compared to the oddity of this mini, the "normal" bugbear is kinda bland.


Gygax has said that ol' pumpkin-head was just an artistic interpretation...

http://www.dragonsfoot.org/forums/viewt ... kin#328256

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Gary, After reading the original descriptions for thr gnoll and seeing the original artwork for the bugbear what prompted the changes from their original forms ( Bugbear, a pumpkin headed baddy and the Gnoll a Gnome/Troll mix) to their AD&D versions?


LOL!

The pumpkin-headed bugbear was an artist taking literally my diesription of the monster as having a head like a pumpkin, i.e large, round flat oval.

Akthough the gnole might be such, I thought that a cross between a gnome and a troll was quite unlikely in the developing game system, so I decided to make the gnoll a hyena-like humanoid. I took a dislike to hyenas odor and appearance when I was a wee lad taken to the zoo regularly by my father.

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Post Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 8:17 pm 
 

stumbling tiger wrote:Those Archive minis are the best -- can't you just smell that old-school aura?


I love the weak name-changes to (presumably) prevent copyright infringment.

These are the best:
Violet Worms = Purple Worms
Eleven-Eyed Floaters = Beholders
Rust Eaters = Rust Monster
Rotting Crawlers = Carrion Crawlers
Wink Dogs = Blink Dogs
Ochres = Ochre Jellies
Shamblers = Shambling Mounds
Rope Monster = Ropers
Amber Hulk = Umber Hulk

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Post Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 11:03 am 
 

I always found the pumkin-headed bugbear to be more frightening than his teddy bear descendants.

I could always picture the head suddenly lighting up in the stoney black of a dungeon...or on the edge of a midnight meadow in the dark of the moon.

The 3.5 Monster Manual depicts a pretty keen bugbear...with more muscles than Arnold.  And then the stats provided give him a fairly low strength.


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Post Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 11:15 am 
 

I see that Martian Metals has also made a jack-o-bear for Runequest:




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Post Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 11:47 am 
 

Nice find!  8)   I'm sorry I missed that one -- only $5!

Martian Metals also did a Walktapus (sculpted by none other than Paul Jacquays himself, iirc).  I've never seen it in real life, but it's something to behold:
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Post Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 7:10 am 
 

Based in Texas, Martian Metals briefly held the RQ miniatures license in the late 70's, but lost it when their releases debuted at a glacial pace. Paul Jaquays sculpted the miniatures. Unfortunately, he doesn't remember exactly how many different miniatures were made. Alas, the molds were destroyed in a fire many years ago. Their Runequest line was:

7001   Unarmored Broos w/clubs (2)
7002   Ducks (3)
7003   Jack O'Bear
7004   Walktapus
7005   Big Crab Claw Broo w/ 2H spear
7006   (Scorpion Queen?)

I have the first 4 blister packs, and a loose mini of the fifth. I've not been able to track down any more info on the Scorpion Queen, but list it because Paul Jaquays vaguely remembers doing one.

Martian Metals also did a 15mm Trollball team set. A few advance sets were available at a late 70s Origins convention. I picked up a set on Ebay a couple of years ago.

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Post Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 11:37 pm 
 

Hi Rick
Would you please put up some pictures?  I'd love to see the Ducks and the Big Crab Claw Broo.

  
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