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Post Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 6:39 pm 
 

Traveller wrote:We BOTH missed the boat.

FLUMPH!

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Post Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 11:02 pm 
 

jasonw1239 wrote:My vote would be the 1978 Chaosium publication of 'Real Magic' by Isaac Bonewits. The picture of the goofball author looking 'pompous' complete with pipe clenched between his teeth is hilarious.

It was no doubt items like this that helped feed the late 70's early 80's D&D=Satanism hysteria...


Hey, at least it was an early Chaosium publication, and popular enough that they did 2 editions, and then SJG did an updated version just a few years back. The Chaosium '78 and '79 versions are a real hoot. The artwork is amazingly bad, cheesy, and funny all at the same time. The picture on page 74 of the high priest and his groupie is something you seldom see in RPGs anymore...

And the guy's name is PEI (Philip Emmons Isaac) Bonewits, the world's only academically accredited Ocultist, with a BA in Magic from the University of California in Berkeley. I for one think Pagan Theologians should be pictured in hooded robes with a Meerschaum pipe. The two Chaosium editions have different author shots on the back, but the same pipe. Bigger afro in '79 too.

Authentic Thaumaturgy is enjoyable, quirky, etc.

Eldarad is just absolute rubbish. Only Daughters of Darkness comes close. As the guy who wrote the review mentioned above, and found at glorantha.info, I still stand by what I said in that review, which is from about 10 years ago.

In Germany, we actually burn a copy of Eldarad or Daughters of Darkenss at a convention each year, alternating products each year. We've had upwards of 100 people attend the ceremony. We auction off a lighter with an original copy of the module thrown in for free. The book is usually still in the shrink and sold as a fund raiser. The purchaser gets the "honour" of leading the masses to the awaiting torch. We've been doing it since 1996.

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Post Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 9:32 am 
 

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Post Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 11:46 am 
 

Kamelion wrote:I have two of those d100 golfballs.  I'm not ashamed - I have something of a dice fetish.  I picked up a d2 the other week (or a "coin", as it is colloquially known) and am always on the lookout for the elusive d1.

Most useless gaming product I own?  I am thinking that my Wizard's Kit probably qualifies.  It's a 2e product that is a small plastic briefcase containing a wizard miniature, a set of dice (yay!), some card-stock cheat-sheets with wizard spells, THAC0, saves etc on them (they fold into a little pyramid, like a menu at a bad diner), and some wizard-themed stickers.  Best of all, though, is the official Advanced Dungeons & Dragons pencil.  Makes the whole thing worthwhile :D.  I used to bring it to sessions when playing my wizard PC until the derision became too much to bear, lol...

Oh, I also have a copy of the AD&D2e Trivia game.  I love it to bits, but everyone I know claims it is worthless dreck.  So I guess that counts. :(

Does the Wilderness Survival Guide count?  Think I must have opened that two or three times tops since buying the damn thing...

My AD&D pencil still gets my top vote, though.


Nice to know that someone likes the "golf ball"--I also have two of those along with a d5, d7, d14, d16, and a few other unusual ones.  I also have a stuffed (plush) d6, d10, d12, and a large d20; when I asked (innocently) what they were used for (why would one need a d20 that's about the size of a NCAA women's basketball ), I was told that it could be used to throw at a sleeping player or DM to get their attention (roll 5 or more on a d20, no Dexterity bonus to the attacked one, automatic surprise :lol:  :lol: ).

As for useless?  How about all of the hardback 3.5 rulebook/supplements--the IRS tax code is more clear and shorter (and THAT'S hard to believe unless you've seen the Tax Code here in the U.S.!!).  Does anyone really use any or all of those hardback supplements? :?:  :?:  :?:

  


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Post Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 1:31 pm 
 

sleepyCO wrote:As for useless?  How about all of the hardback 3.5 rulebook/supplements--the IRS tax code is more clear and shorter (and THAT'S hard to believe unless you've seen the Tax Code here in the U.S.!!).  Does anyone really use any or all of those hardback supplements? :?:  :?:  :?:


ROFL. Yeah, but remember 3e was meant to streamline & simplify things ;)


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Post Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 6:17 pm 
 

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ROFL. Yeah, but remember 3e was meant to streamline & simplify things ;)


Reminds me of the time Congress passed a "Tax Simplification Act" a few years back--the bill was something like 3000 pages long and added   several hundred pages to the Tax Code!!

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Post Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 6:32 pm 
 

Badmike wrote:
And ducks as characters aren't any worse than about half the creatures in the Fiend Folio.... :D

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Ah, yes....the Fiend Folio.  Definately a mixed bag.  Some classic monsters mixed in with with the bizzare and the useless.

A nice collection of nuisance monsters....except that nuisance monsters are...a nuisance.

One of the best pieces of art in AD&D is in the Fiend Folio....the warrior with the claymore fighting the lizard men.  If

only there had been some challenging lizard men in the book (besides the lizard king, that is...and not very useful since he's supposed to be a unique type encounter).

Interesting how the classics from that book have survived...and some of the worst have also survived as jokes.

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Post Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 12:52 pm 
 

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Remember--"Congress" is the opposite of "Progress" as someone once said! :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


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Post Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 7:24 pm 
 

My vote for the stupidest RPG product goes to...

...the Tricorder/Sensor Interactive Display that was put out by FASA for their Star Trek RPG.

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Post Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 3:45 am 
 

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Ah, yes....the Fiend Folio.  Definately a mixed bag.  Some classic monsters mixed in with with the bizzare and the useless.

A nice collection of nuisance monsters....except that nuisance monsters are...a nuisance.

One of the best pieces of art in AD&D is in the Fiend Folio....the warrior with the claymore fighting the lizard men.  If

only there had been some challenging lizard men in the book (besides the lizard king, that is...and not very useful since he's supposed to be a unique type encounter).

Interesting how the classics from that book have survived...and some of the worst have also survived as jokes.

Mark   8)


bah fiend folio is one of my fave books and i dip into it with regularity in my games.

mark: youre right with the warrior pic - classic art. i agree that some of the creatures in it are pretty silly, but generally, i think a fair number of them are cool for quality encounters.

i still despise the WSG and the DSG. you won't ever get me to agree that they are worthy of any use, at any point of the day.

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Post Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 11:16 am 
 

killjoy32 wrote:
bah fiend folio is one of my fave books and i dip into it with regularity in my games.

mark: youre right with the warrior pic - classic art. i agree that some of the creatures in it are pretty silly, but generally, i think a fair number of them are cool for quality encounters.

i still despise the WSG and the DSG. you won't ever get me to agree that they are worthy of any use, at any point of the day.

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I cannot think of a single good thing to say about either the Wilderness Survival Guide or the Dungeoneers Survival Guide.

I guess there was a picture of a female adventurer dressed only in a medieval teddy, fighting off a squirrel.  That's pretty much it.

The Fiend Folio was so...British.  It struck Americans as rather lurid and silly.  Early White Dwarf was like that a lot.

Still...Charles Straun and the classic monsters.....  8O

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Post Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 11:27 am 
 

FormCritic wrote:
The Fiend Folio was so...British.  It struck Americans as rather lurid and silly.  Early White Dwarf was like that a lot.

Mark


I could respond that a lot of lurid & silly things have come from the US too, but it is their lurid & silliness that is the point, not their nationality.


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Post Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 12:23 pm 
 

:D

good comeback :)

seriously though. the WSG and the DSG were just so unnecessary. i can only imagine that they were another rulebook to make more money and thats it.

i never once ever found anything useful in them to work with that i liked for my game.

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Post Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 12:23 pm 
 

sleepyCO wrote:
Nice to know that someone likes the "golf ball"--I also have two of those along with a d5, d7, d14, d16, and a few other unusual ones.  I also have a stuffed (plush) d6, d10, d12, and a large d20; when I asked (innocently) what they were used for (why would one need a d20 that's about the size of a NCAA women's basketball ), I was told that it could be used to throw at a sleeping player or DM to get their attention (roll 5 or more on a d20, no Dexterity bonus to the attacked one, automatic surprise :lol:  :lol: ).

I have one of those huge plush d20s, as well as a whole tube of smaller plush dice.  I am in jealous awe of your d5, d7, d14 and d16, though.  Too cool :D...

  

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Post Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 4:06 pm 
 

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I could respond that a lot of lurid & silly things have come from the US too, but it is their lurid & silliness that is the point, not their nationality.


Don't be offended.  I mean specifically British style lurid and silly...just as the Japanese, Germans, Americans or any other nationality have their own style of odd and humorous things.

The artwork from British fantasy publications has now become standard fantasy artwork.  (Specifically...what morphed into the artwork of Warhammer which became the basic artwork style of World of Warcraft and that can also be seen to a certain extent in 3rd edition D&D publications.)

But, back when the Fiend Folio first appeared, this distinctly British art style looked strange, unsettling and somewhat gruesome to Americans.....thus the word "lurid."

I suspect that British role-playing in general had more gloom and horror in its American counterpart.  The grim worlds of Michael Moorcock and the horror atmosphere of Warhammer Fantasy Roleplaying would be good examples.

The silliness of the Fiend Folio also had the flavor of British silly.  The British are fond of silly names in particular...and the Fiend Folio was packed with them.  (The same love of silly names or amusing wordplays can be seen in the daffy names for people and creatures in  the Harry Potter novels...including the Pigeon Latin names of most of the spells.)

These factors made the Fiend Folio feel more than a bit odd to American readers.  Can you name another TSR publication that was negatively reviewed in Dragon magazine?

I suppose that American lurid and silly would be things like super hero comics and Keebler elves.  A nice example of American silly might be The Village of Hommlet, which seems to pose the comical question, "What if Kenosha, Wisconsin had a medieval fair and heavily armed psychotics showed up and acted like it was all real?"


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Post Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 6:00 pm 
 

No worries Mark - thanks.  In retrospect I ought to have put a smil-ey or wink-ey thingy at the end, deadpan responses can look very serious  :D   And of course, yes, there are plenty of silly names there  :lol:


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Post Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 11:27 am 
 

I am interested in the evolution of fantasy art.

The first orcs were small and had pig noses...as depicted in the Holmes Basic Set.  This was an addition to Tolkien, who never described orc facial features.  

Tolkien's orcs Uruk-hai were tall because they were cross-bred with humans.  Tolkien specifically described the "smaller" orcs from the Misty Mountains as "goblins."  

I wondered where the pig noses came from until I saw Disney's Sleeping Beauty, where the evil queen's minions had exactly the same porcine snouts.

There was an episode of the cartoon series He-Man and the Masters of the Universe where the villan's "orc guards" had snouts and grunted and snorted like pigs in between words.

Then, there was Jabba the Hut's fortress in Return of the Jedi, where guards that looked very much like D&D orcs grunted, slobbered and even squealed in terror like pigs...clearly strongly influenced by D&D.

Slowly, the British depiction of orcs, typical of Games Workshop, has won out.  Warhammer led the way, as did the popularity of "orks" in Warhammer 40,000.  Blizzard's Warcraft picked up the British art style, which has become world famous with World of Warcraft.

Orcs are now commonly drawn the British way.  Their skin has gone from reddish brown to green.  They are tall muscle men with mohawks (the original D&D orcs were 5' to 6' tall).  Orcs generally now talk with variations on Cockney accents.  (A throwback to the trolls in The Hobbit, whose crude speech is actually mentioned in the text by Tolkien.)

Interesting....to me.   :?

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Post Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 12:15 am 
 

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