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Post Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 5:03 pm 
 

Anybody else snag any nice Christmas season D20 deals?


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Post Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 6:53 pm 
 

FormCritic wrote:Anybody else snag any nice Christmas season D20 deals?

I didn't purchase anything from publishers, but Asylum Comics in Richardson was discounting WotC and Goodman Games products.  Lone Star Comics was also doing some goofy trade-in-3e-books-for-4e-credit.  More used d20 books are showing up at Half Price Books, though that may be seasonal.

  


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Post Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 9:08 pm 
 

FormCritic wrote:Anybody else snag any nice Christmas season D20 deals?


My Paizo order arrived yesterday sans 8 books (stupid first ready to ship first out rather than first ordered-first out)  :evil:

Hard to beat $2 soft cover & $5 hard cover books.  Haven't had enough time to look over everything but I am definitely happy.

P.S. Mark, how is MY Thieves' Quarter  :D  (assuming you ordered after 8 AM CST 11/21/07)

  

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Post Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 3:10 am 
 


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One of the best of the 3rd edition modules.  This is probably Troll Lord Games' best module.  Going for cheap at the moment.


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Post Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 11:40 pm 
 

I think I just collected all of Guildhouse Games' D20 list:

The Succubus Bride
Red or White
A Dark and Stormy Night
A Mage's Tale
A Green Place to Die
Plague of Nyrathoth

This company was too recent to be "history" and too small to be a major player and too 3rd Edition to be cool...so there isn't a lot about the company itself on the web.

Does anyone else know another product beyond this list, or any company details?

The Succubus Bride is one of the more original campaign storylines I've read.  All of the modules I have handled so far were easily worth the cheap cover prices.

Anyone else familiar with them?


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Post Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 1:02 am 
 

All you're missing is A Thief's Tale.  Guildhouse had a book called Quirks & Nuances scheduled for release but as far as I know it never actually came out.  As the title implies it detailed a flaw/merit system for d20.  I don't really know anything about the company except that they died pretty early on in the d20 glut.  Their first four modules were released in a shrinkwrap discount set called Gatekeeper's Adventure Bundle.

  

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Post Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 1:29 am 
 

blackdougal wrote:All you're missing is A Thief's Tale.  Guildhouse had a book called Quirks & Nuances scheduled for release but as far as I know it never actually came out.  As the title implies it detailed a flaw/merit system for d20.  I don't really know anything about the company except that they died pretty early on in the d20 glut.  Their first four modules were released in a shrinkwrap discount set called Gatekeeper's Adventure Bundle.


Ah...yes...I left out A Thief's Tale.  I do have that one.

Gatekeeper's Adventure Bundle....that is one to look for shrinkwrapped.

These modules are often sold as small sets.  Tarumil just finished an auction of four modules from this set...probably a broken open set.

Thanks for the link.  For anyone else who is looking for D20 Publishers:

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Post Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 6:21 pm 
 

Two of the nicest D20 hardbacks I've ever seen just arrived in the mail.

I got a copy of Expedition to the Demonweb Pits, from Wizards of the Coast, from a seller on Amazon.  This is a really cool adventure...with excellent maps and the Demonweb storyline blocked out in a logical, playable manner.  Even the rumpled end sheets of this book are cool.  This is some of the best work I have read from Wolfgang Bauer.

In returning to a classic module, Bauer and his co-writer, Gwendolyn Kestrel, have managed both to improve the original and create a nice homage to the first of the multi-color cover old-school modules.  With the power of the 3.5 rules, the module gives players so many cool things to kill this adventure can't go wrong.  There are also lots of roleplaying opportunities even among the hideous beings of the Abyss.  At 225 pages, this is a hefty module that could easily have been worth the $34.95 cover price...when calculated in GTHFPD (Game Table Hours of Fun Per Dollar Units).

One of the quirks of D20 modules of this size is that they are not just modules.  They also have material like new monsters, magic items and even spells wedged in around adventures and adventure hooks that can be played out in any order and with multiple styles.  Sometimes, this can get annoying, especially when half the book gets wasted in spells and (my favorite) "new rules you don't really need."  Expedition to the Demonweb Pits has just enough of this information not to lower its value.  

Dreadmire, meanwhile, succeeds by excess.  It has interesting adventures to be found inside, but it is sold as "The only swamp sourcebook you will ever need." And so it is....

Dreadmire, by Spellbinder Games, is a work of imagination that exceeded my expectations by far.  The sheer volume of inventions in this book makes it worth the cover price...never mind the bargain price I paid.   Author Randy Richards basically poured every idea a good DM could come up with in 15+ years into a book that is obviously a labor of love.  The artwork rocks (think Fiend Folio, only done well).  

For an example of the density of material in this 224 page book, check out page 221...which is a chart that gives the letters of the alphabet in 15 real and imaginary alternative languages.  The result is not a linguist's triumph...but it is just the sort of nutty thing a true gamer-geek loves.  That is only one example of the monsters, spells, rules and other crunchy bits in this book.  

One nice touch...there is a gold sticker inside the front cover that tells the buyer how to get bonus material on the www.Dreadmire.com website. This was obviously slapped into each book by hand after printing was done...exactly how it used to be done in the old days.  The free bonus  material can also be found by going directly to RPGNow...which is where the link in the book now takes you.

One other detail about both books worth...um...detailing:  Both books have solid binding.  I had expected Dreadmire to explode in my hands (as too many of its D20 hardback brethren do as soon as you subject them to the incredibly cruel process of opening them).  I was pleasantly surprised.

I don't know what the texture of the dark blue end sheets of Expedition to the Demonweb Pits should be called.  The high-quality paper used lends strongly to the overall creepy feel of the product.

Anyway, both are nice examples of the D20 collectible products that are on the market right now for very low prices.  These are the books that they'll be cursing themselves over 20 years from now..."Why didn't I snap those up when they were lying around everywhere for under five bucks?"


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Post Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 8:38 pm 
 

I think Dreadmire is going to be one of those books that will become hard to find but the author will still have boxes of them.  I believe the author is currently or least has been selling these on Ebay.  I would even buy one but the shipping looks to be about $16 to Canada bringing up the price of the book considerably.

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Post Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 9:02 pm 
 

Dreadmire has some 'history' behind it, I think its still on the Necromancer Games forums if you look.  The author had a falling out as it were.

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Post Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 11:48 pm 
 

Plaag wrote:Dreadmire has some 'history' behind it, I think its still on the Necromancer Games forums if you look.  The author had a falling out as it were.

ShaneG.


The author is well-known in gaming circles for "borrowing" ideas from other authors and passing them off as his own. From what I remember, Dreadmire was going to be a Necromancer project until he was again accused of "borrowing" some of the monsters and character classes, and they dropped him like a hot potato.  The book is basically self-published as a result. I'd like to flip through a copy someday, though.

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Post Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 2:39 am 
 

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The author is well-known in gaming circles for "borrowing" ideas from other authors and passing them off as his own. From what I remember, Dreadmire was going to be a Necromancer project until he was again accused of "borrowing" some of the monsters and character classes, and they dropped him like a hot potato.  The book is basically self-published as a result. I'd like to flip through a copy someday, though.

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Well, that was certainly an interesting read over on the Necromancer forums.  :x

I must, however, claim total innocence in my review of Dreadmire.  I was completely unaware of any controversy.  :scratch:

If there was material taken from some Greyhawk publication then it is hidden deep in a very densely packed book.  Without taking sides in the legal ugliness, I do stand by my favorable review of the book itself.  It's too bad there were intellectual property violations and other bad behavior...the book didn't need to steal stuff to be good.

I don't know if the legal spat and the copyright violation controversy makes the book less collectible or more collectible.  I tend to come down on the side of more...I think some people will regret not getting hold of a copy.

It is interesting how closely linked the online D&D community really is.  Within our internet niche, everyone seems to know someone who knows someone else.....Six Degrees of Frank Mentzer.  

It doesn't pay to be on the bad side of the online gaming community.  Whatever Randy Richards did obviously landed him there...and apparently he was not the kind of person to just go quietly.  8O

Too bad.


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Post Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 7:16 am 
 

The RPG industry has a history of "blood feud" behavior.  When there're only so many members of a club, they're bound to choose sides in a conflict.  Once they do, it get's personal really quick.


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Post Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 9:31 am 
 

SoulCatcher78 wrote:The RPG industry has a history of "blood feud" behavior.  When there're only so many members of a club, they're bound to choose sides in a conflict.  Once they do, it get's personal really quick.


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Post Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 12:53 pm 
 

I like the sounds of this Dreadmire book! I'll have to keep an eye out for it now...  8)


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Post Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 1:48 pm 
 

ashmire13 wrote:I like the sounds of this Dreadmire book! I'll have to keep an eye out for it now...  8)




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Post Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 2:19 pm 
 

Kingofpain89 wrote:

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Cheers KoP, I've asked about shipping to the UK, but that may kill the deal.

I shall wait and see but keep looking on these shores as well, although it does seem that there are sometimes such differenct items readily available depending on which side of the water you live!  :?


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Post Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 2:26 pm 
 

Reading a post on the www.dreadmire.com forum, there is a post about the whole being accused of plagiarism.  Another post also mentions that Esdevium distributed the book in the UK so there should be copies floating around there.  A Dreadmire novel has also been released in PDF too.

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Post Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 2:41 pm 
 

Mars wrote: Esdevium distributed the book in the UK so there should be copies floating around there.


Thats interesting. Would any of the UK guys here have a copy they don't wish to have any longer?? I'm more than happy to trade something equivalent (if I have it!!!!) :lol:


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Post Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 11:58 pm 
 

I just got a pair of related D20 books in the mail.  They are the 3rd Edition version of Oriental Adventures and the Rokugan Campaign Setting for Legend of the Five Rings D20 by Alderac Entertainment Group.

The two books are virtually companion volumes and had to have been coordinated as a license by both companies.

I admit...I opened Oriental Adventures very carefully.  I was worried that the pages might go off like a grenade in my face when I opened the cover.  The original Oriental Adventures had binding roughly as tight as a not very tight thing on Not Very Tight Island on the Great Night of the Not Very Tight Things.  It is rare, today, to see an Oriental Adventures from the early 80's that does not have a thrashed binding.  But the third one stayed up!

The Rokugan Campaign suffers just a bit from a much too tightly-controlled character generation system, based on the campaign's background of rival clans in the Rokugan Empire.  Essentially, you choose a clan, or don't choose a clan, out of the book and that guides your character's destiny.  It isn't bad, it's just....involved.

Oriental Adventures manages to avoid some of the pitfalls of its earlier incarnation.  For instance, it doesn't have a line in the armor section that says, "...unless you are swinging at an unarmored part of the body."  It also doesn't have character classes that are all more powerful than their Western D&D counterparts.  The book is helped in this by the 3rd Edition concept of "prestige classes" which help explain how the Asian warriors get special powers their Western counterparts somehow cannot figure out how to do.  :?

The monsters in both books are wierd and scarey.  Just strange enough to give the right flavor for the setting.

Kudos to the Alderac Entertainment Group for using the end sheets to print two copies of the campaign's most essential map! Hell, kudos to them just for figuring out that a good map is essential for using the product.  There are enough companies around that cannot seem to figure that out... :scratch:

This is the first Legend of the Five Rings product I've acquired.  I am not clear on which publications were for Alderac's LOFR role-playing game and which ones were for the d20 system.  Like most everything Alderac does, this is an impressive book.  I haven't picked up anything from LOFR before because I associate the name with collectible card games...which all must die.  :evil:

Since I got two books like this in one lot for 99 cents plus shipping (hoot!), I'm pretty happy.

What I wonder about these books is.......has anyone actually played them?  Someone must have bought the Legend of the Five Rings books because there certainly are a lot of them floating around Half-Price Books.

Even back in the day, I saw a lot of Samurai characters (or, rather...bushi characters, since that class was a total rape and run on the fighter class) but I never actually heard of anyone who played a campaign.  If someone played Oriental Adventures back in the day, did they actually use the honor rules as printed in the book?

Oh, yeah....and how many power gamers here used the martial arts system in the Oriental Adventures book to build a rockin' martial artist?  The trick was to start as a monk and then switch to bushi.  That tactic allowed the PC to basically grab an entire martial art style at first level, and then ditch all the hit point and combat limitations that made AD&D monks so problematic...and then rape and run the fighter class as a bushi.  (Insert the word "sucked" in there somewhere with the AD&D monk class.)

Now I suppose someone will log on and tell me that the writers of the Rokugan Campaign book ripped off Vault of the Drow and got exiled from Alderac Entertainment Group....and then maintained a vicious long-range online snipe fest for the next two years....anyone?  :x


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