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Post Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 10:31 pm 
 

dbartman wrote:Hello Egg,

I need to get with you sometime on that little dragon project we discussed on Dragonsfoot a while back.  I've got to figure out how to ship it to you at a reasonable cost and have it remain intact going and returning...


That was a repair job, wasn't it?  The postage costs wouldn't be too bad if you weren't in a hurry to get the piece here and back - I'm sure tons of folks here could provide good advice on shipping.  As far as the issue of breakage goes, I could custom pack the fig (with the aid of a styro cutter) in such a way that it shouldn't be a problem.

Drop me a PM if you want to discuss things further, although ou'd be better off contacting me at DF - I don't get here as often.

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Post Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 3:35 pm 
 

Excellent work on those cubes!

And there are not enough decent driders, for sure. Especially not halfway affordable ones! A DM needs several!


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Post Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 7:05 pm 
 

stumbling tiger wrote:Definitely giants!   They may not be an underrepresented monster, but they're rarely done well.  As different species from homo sapiens, giants should look mythic, or at least fairy-tale.  Most I've seen just look like humans on a bigger scale, and some are just plain terrible.   Tom Meier's 70's work for Ral Partha is IMHO the gold standard:  http://www.sodemons.com/rhrp01gallery/r ... tgiant.jpg
Now that's a frost giant not just some 52mm viking.


The main thing about a giant is...it's giant.  Human-size products will not fit it, so a suitably primitive giant figurine will have shoes, hat, clothing, etc that looks like it was made by a huge, primitive hand.

Second, there should be something on the giant (preferably ten things) to give an idea of scale.  A giant with human-sized weapons in its belt or with a horse strapped to its back or any one of a thousand other props to give the sense of scale.  One good example might be a fur coat which can be seen to have been made from multiple white wolf hides...or something similar...possibly a belt made from inter-twined ship ropes with a human-sized lantern hanging from it...

One other thing about giants is that they should be broad.  A "real" giant would have to be almost as broad as it is tall in order to stand and move without snapping.  A "fantasy" giant need not be a cube with arms, but there should be something about the figure that indicates the massive nature of its bone structure.

I have set of really good ogres by Citadel.  They don't have all of those details, but there is enough about them to indicate their massive size to make them very interesting on the miniature battlefield.  (Also, since they have slotta bases, they do not fall over every time the table is bumped.)

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Post Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 4:20 pm 
 

MShipley88 wrote:
One other thing about giants is that they should be broad.  A "real" giant would have to be almost as broad as it is tall in order to stand and move without snapping.  


Hi Mark
That makes good sense, but I have to say one of the things I like most about the Partha frost giant is the way he gets narrower the further up you get: it gives you a foreshortened, worm's eye view effect, as if he were really that tall!
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p85/ ... giants.jpg

As you say, giants' clothing should look like a primitive patchwork of scavenged materials.  What do you think about the way this Grenadier giant dressed himself?
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p85/ ... ntGren.jpg

  


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Post Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 5:53 pm 
 

OK, you've convinced me.  Giants it is.  Watch this space in a month or two.

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Post Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 3:52 am 
 

stumbling tiger wrote:
Hi Mark
That makes good sense, but I have to say one of the things I like most about the Partha frost giant is the way he gets narrower the further up you get: it gives you a foreshortened, worm's eye view effect, as if he were really that tall!
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p85/ ... giants.jpg

As you say, giants' clothing should look like a primitive patchwork of scavenged materials.  What do you think about the way this Grenadier giant dressed himself?
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p85/ ... ntGren.jpg


I'd say that the frost giant in the center of the first picture is the best of the three.  The other two are in awkward stances that look likely to fall over.  I'd also like to see them beside a man-sized miniature of the same
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The Grenadier giant is detailed.  Is that a shield he has strapped to his chest?  I can't make it out.  How does he compare to a man-sized Grenadier miniature?

I notice that the Grenadier giant is in a stance very reminiscent of one of the illustrations of a giant in the Melnibonean section of the original Dieties and Demi-gods hardback.  The shield in that picture is an artifact with the sign of chaos on it.

I'd like to see a good Fomorian giant.

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Post Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 7:05 pm 
 

The Hill Giant figure is part-sculpted, and I hope to have some pics of the finished green in a few days.

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Post Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 5:48 pm 
 

OK, as promised, some Giants!

First, the Hill Giant.  He's 52mm to the top of the head.

The Stone Giant, a little taller at 65mm.


The 2 together, then with a Hasslefree Miniatures barmaid for scale.


I hope to be having these cast in resin in the next few weeks, so let me know if you're interested.  I don't have a firm price yet, but I expect them to be around £12 to £15 each (UK).

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Post Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 5:57 pm 
 

Howdy,


Hooo! You just sold the maximum number appearing to me!


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Post Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 10:00 pm 
 

Nice work, otherworld :D  

Unfortunately, at those prices, I'll have to wait awhile for the conversion rate to be less out of my favor, before I'll be able to order these (or the PHB cover idol, too).


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Post Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 7:54 am 
 

I can see myself buying both of those  :(

Not sure I could ever paint them up to a sufficiently good standard though :cry:

Got the Idol and it is indeed fantastic - thanks for that.

  


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Post Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 10:52 am 
 

Those Giants are awesome, great work!

Anyway, no one can beat Cougarrinard's Gelatinous Cube...  :lol:




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Post Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 3:44 pm 
 

Oooooooooh --- nice! :D

  

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Post Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 11:14 am 
 

Very impressive giants.  I especially like the facial features.  That stone giant looks so real.


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Post Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 4:43 pm 
 

Beautiful figures, the anatomical subtleties, grotesqueries and details are all nicely balanced to give a suitably "monstrous but natural" look.  Da Vinci would be proud.  Or at least his caricaturist aspect would.  :)

To keep your head from being inflated by the near-perfection, I'll point out that the hill giant's right shoulder is too spherical and tends to distract attention from the phenomenal hands and facial features.   :P

My own recommendation for a line of classic D&D figures, would be to crack open the "blue book" from the earliest basic sets.  Those are the touchstone creatures that everyone knows and loves, that scream Old School.  You could even go back earlier to OD&D and the supplement booklets (if you don't mind getting swarmed with aquatics from Blackmoor), but I honestly believe that the blue book comprises the finest list of true, primal iconics, the ultimate D&D classic baseline if you will.

Here's some monsters that are rarely done justice that I think people would love to see.

•        Bugbear (correctly proportioned)
•        Carrion Crawler
•        Demons (correctly proportioned; Type VI especially, although V probably represents the greatest challenge)
•        Dragon (Monster Manual / Sutherland style)
•        Ghoul (in suitably animated poses, crouching, pouncing, stalking, etc., instead of just a stand-around-zombie thing)
•        Giant Spider
•        Hobgoblins (with the intriguing Japanese armor overtones)
•        Hydra
•        Manticore (some compromise between Sutherland, Trampier from M&T and the S2 orange cover)
•        Ogre
•        Orcs (with swine-like features, but still realistic)
•        Owlbear (I've never been pleased with any; one like the B2 cover, less chubby and more muscular, would be great!)
•        Shadow (something evocative; I like the old Grenadier undead figure that's an animate robe without hands or face, for example)
•        Skeleton (the skulls tend to be exaggerated, the ribcages where all the detail is are rarely done right)
•        Slimes (that look animate and sculpted, as opposed to a cast-off)
•        Troll (Sutherland, again correctly proportioned)
•        Umber Hulk

Just one old gamer's thoughts!

  


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Post Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 6:11 pm 
 

One of each would look good on the ole shelf!!  :wink:


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Post Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 1:00 pm 
 

Howwdy All,


While I do like the more classic look to these figures and would gladly pick them up, I must say that we are blowing a golden opportunity.

There are scads of creatures for which a figure has *never* been done. I have seen dozens of sculpts for umber hulks, giants, goblins, orcs, ogres, dragons, mind flayers, trolls, maniticores, slimes, oozes, etc. How about some sculpts for creatures for which there are no sculpts, whether in production or out of production?

Well, O.K. here are all of the AD&D monsters I have been unable to find an accurate (in terms of scale and appearance) miniature for (of 1004 possible figures I have been able to find miniatures to represent 573 or ca. 57%). Admittedly, some just don't translate into miniatures or are just not practical (e.g., respectively, cerebral parasite and blue whale). Others, there are miniatures for but your chance of finding one of these OOP rarities is virtually nil (e.g., Snake, Giant, Amphisbaena - C22 by Citadel). Finally, some are in a context not so useful for tactical representation (e.g., a chatting gynosphinx instead of one standing or threatening to attack or a mastadon with a huge howda when you need a wild mastadon):

Aboleth
Afanc
Agathion
Algoid
Al-Mi'raj
Anhkheg (the recent Hasbro one is pretty short)
Apparition
Ascomoid
Aspis, Cow
Astral Searcher
Atomie
Aurumvorax
Babbler
Baboon
Baku
Barkburr
Barracuda
Basidrond
Bat, Doombat
Beaver, Giant
Bee, Giant, Bumblebee
Behemoth
Berbalang
Blindheim
Bloodthorn
Boalisk
Bodak
Boggart
Booka
Bookworm
Bowler
Brain Mole
Buckwan
Buffalo
Bunyip
Camel, Wild
Caryatid Column
Cat, Elfin
Cat, Hellcat
Cat, Wild
Caterwaul
Catfish, Giant
Cattle, Wild
Cattle, Wild, Bull
Cave Cricket
Cave Moray
Choke Creeper
Cifal
Clubnek
Coffer Corpse
Crane, Giant
Crayfish, Giant
Crimson Death
Crocodile, Giant
Crysmal
Daemon, Greater, Oinodaemon (Anthraxus)
Daemon, Greater, Ultrodaemon
Daemon, Lesser, Derghodaemon
Daemon, Lesser, Hydrodaemon
Daemon, Lesser, Yagndaemon
Daemon, Mezzodaemon (a recent Hasbro one has 4 arms not 2)
Daemon, Nycadaemon
Demodand, Farastu (Tarry)
Demodand, Kelubar (Slime)
Demodand, Shator (Shaggy)
Demon, Lord, Juiblex
Demon, Lord, Kostchtchie
Demon, Lord, Lolth (in spider form)
Demon, Major, Nabassu
Demon, Minor, Babau
Demon, Minor, Bar-Lgura
Demon, Minor, Rutterkin
Demon, Prince, Fraz-Urb'luu (Prince Of Deception)
Demon, Semi-, Alu-
Demon, Semi-, Cambion
Denzelian
Devil, Arch-, Baalzebul
Devil, Arch-, Dispater
Devil, Arch-, Geryon
Devil, Arch-, Mammon
Devil, Arch-, Moloch
Devil, Duke, Amon
Devil, Duke, Bael
Devil, Duke, Hutijin
Devil, Duke, Titvilus
Devil, Least, Nupperibo
Devil, Least, Spined
Devil, Lesser, Abishai, Blue
Devil, Lesser, Abishai, Green
Devil, Lesser, Abishai, Red
Devil, Lesser, Abishai, White
Devil, Princess, Glasya
Diakk
Dire Corby
Disenchanter
Dog, Elven (Coshee)
Dog, Moon
Dog, Wild
Dolphin
Dragon Horse
Dragon, Cloud
Dragon, Faerie
Dragon, Mist
Dragon, Oriental, Li Lung (Earth Dragon)
Dragon, Oriental, Lung Wang (Sea Dragon)
Dragon, Oriental, Pan Lung (Coiled Dragon)
Dragon, Oriental, Shen Lung (Spirit Dragon)
Dragon, Oriental, T'ien Lung (Celestial Dragon)
Dragon, Oriental, Yu Lung (Carp Dragon)
Dragon, Platinum (Bahamut) (hasbro version is too big)
Dragon, Shadow
Dragonfish
Dragonfly, Giant
Drelb (Haunting Custodian)
Dune Stalker
Dustdigger
Eagle
Ear Seeker
Eblis
Eel, Electric
Eel, Electric (Marine)
Eel, Giant
Eel, Weed
Elemental Princes of Evil, Cryonax — Prince of Evil Cold Creatures
Elemental Princes of Evil, Imix — Prince of Evil Fire Creatures
Elemental Princes of Evil, Ogremoch — Prince of Evil Earth Creatures
Elemental Princes of Evil, Olhydra — Princess of Evil Water Creatures
Elemental Princes of Evil, Yan-C-Bin — Prince of Evil Aerial Creatures
Elf, Aquatic
Elf, Grugach
Enveloper
Eye Killer
Eye of Fear and Flame
Eye, Floating
Falcon, Large
Falcon, Small
Firedrake
Firefly, Giant (Firefriend)
Flail Snail
Flightless Bird
Flind
Flumph
Fly, Giant, Bluebottle
Fly, Giant, Horsefly
Foo Creature, Lion
Forester' Bane (Snapper Saw)
Forlarren
Fox, Hoar
Frog, Poisonous
Froghemoth
Frost Man
Galeb Duhr
Galltrit
Gambado
Gar, Giant
Garbug, Black
Garbug, Violet
Gargoyle, Marlgoyl
Genie, Dao
Giant, Fog
Giant, Verbeeg
Gloomwing
Gnome, Deep, (Svirfneblin)
Goat, Giant
Goldbug
Gorbel
Gorilla Bear
Grig
Grim
Grippli
Grue, Elemental, Chaggrin (Earth)
Grue, Elemental, Harginn (Fire)
Grue, Elemental, Ildriss (Air)
Grue, Elemental, Varrdig (Water)
Gryph
Guardian Familiar
Hag, Sea
Haunt
Hawk, Blood
Hawk, Large
Hobgoblin, Marine (Koalinth)
Hollyphant
Hordling
Hornet, Giant
Horse, Wild
Hound of Ill Omen
Huecuva
Hybsil
Imorph
Invisible Stalker
Ixitxachitl
Jackal
Jackalwere
Jaculi
Jaguar
Jelly, Stunjelly
Jelly, Symbiotic
Jermlaine
Kamadan
Khargra
Killmoulis
Kraken
Lamprey, Giant
Lamprey, Land
Lava Children
Leech, Giant
Leech, Throat
Leopard
Lich, Demi-
Lizard King
Lizard, Giant
Lizard, Giant, Ice
Lizard, Giant, Minotaur (Hasbro one is poorly done)
Locathah
Luck Eater
Lurker Above
Lycanthrope, Foxwoman
Lycanthrope, Seawolf, Greater
Lycanthrope, Seawolf, Lesser
Lycanthrope, Wereshark
Lynx, Giant
Magnesium Spirit
Mammoth
Mandragora
Mantari
Mantis, Giant
Mantrap
Masher
Mastodon
Meenlock
Mephit, Fire
Mephit, Lava
Mephit, Smoke
Mephit, Steam
Mihstu
Miner
Minimal
Modrone, Base, Duodrone
Modrone, Base, Modrone
Modrone, Base, Pentadrone
Modrone, Base, Quadrone
Modrone, Base, Tridrone
Modrone, Hierarch, Decaton
Modrone, Hierarch, Hexton
Modrone, Hierarch, Nonaton
Modrone, Hierarch, Octon
Modrone, Hierarch, Primus
Modrone, Hierarch, Quarton
Modrone, Hierarch, Quinton
Modrone, Hierarch, Secundus
Modrone, Hierarch, Septon
Modrone, Hierarch, Tertian
Mold (any - although there is a rare Grenadier Wizzards & Warriors sculpt)
Morkoth
Muckdweller
Naga, Water
Needleman
Nonafel, "Child"
Nonafel, "Parent"
Obliviax (Memory Moss)
Octopus, Giant
Oliphant
Ooze, Crystal
Opinicus
Osquip
Otter
Otter, Giant
Otter, Sea
Pech
Penanggalan
Pernicon
Phantom
Phycomid
Piercer
Pike, Giant
Planetar
Poltergeist
Porcupine, Giant
Portuguese Man-O-War, Giant
Prehistoric Creature, Anatosaurus
Prehistoric Creature, Ankisaurus
Prehistoric Creature, Ankylosaurus
Prehistoric Creature, Antrodemus (Allosaurus)
Prehistoric Creature, Apatosaurus (Brontosaurus)
Prehistoric Creature, Archelon Ischyras
Prehistoric Creature, Baluchitherium
Prehistoric Creature, Brachiosaurus
Prehistoric Creature, Camarasaurus
Prehistoric Creature, Camptosaurus
Prehistoric Creature, Ceratosourus
Prehistoric Creature, Cetiosaurus
Prehistoric Creature, Compsognathus
Prehistoric Creature, Dacentrurus
Prehistoric Creature, Deinonychus
Prehistoric Creature, Dilophosaurus
Prehistoric Creature, Dimetrodon
Prehistoric Creature, Dinichtys
Prehistoric Creature, Diplodocus
Prehistoric Creature, Elasmosaurus
Prehistoric Creature, Euparkeria
Prehistoric Creature, Gorgosaurus
Prehistoric Creature, Iguanadan
Prehistoric Creature, Kentrosaurus
Prehistoric Creature, Lambeosaurus
Prehistoric Creature, Mamenchisaurus
Prehistoric Creature, Massopondylus
Prehistoric Creature, Megalosourus
Prehistoric Creature, Monoclonius
Prehistoric Creature, Mosasaurus
Prehistoric Creature, Nothosaurus
Prehistoric Creature, Ornitholestes
Prehistoric Creature, Paleoscincus
Prehistoric Creature, Pentaceratops
Prehistoric Creature, Plateosaurus
Prehistoric Creature, Plesiosaurus
Prehistoric Creature, Podokesaurus
Prehistoric Creature, Pterosaur, Giant
Prehistoric Creature, Stegosaurus
Prehistoric Creature, Struthiomimus
Prehistoric Creature, Styracosaurus
Prehistoric Creature, Tanystropheus
Prehistoric Creature, Tennodontosaurus
Prehistoric Creature, Teratosaurus
Prehistoric Creature, Triceratops
Protein Polymorph
Quaggoth
Quasi-Elemental, Lightning
Quickling
Quipper
Qullan
Ram
Ram, Giant
Raven
Raven, Huge
Ray, Manta
Ray, Pungi
Retch Plant
Retriever
Revenant
Rhinoceros
Rhinoceros, Woolly
Rot Grub
Rothe
Sandling
Sandman
Screaming Devilkin
Scum Creeper
Sea Horse, Giant
Sea Lion
Selkie
Shadow Mastiff
Shark, Giant (Megalodon)
Shocker
Skeleton, Animal
Skulk
Skunk
Skunk, Giant
Slaad, Lord, Ssendam
Slime Creature
Slithering Tracker
Slug, Giant
Snake, Fire
Snake, Giant, Amphisbaena (rare casting C22 Citadel)
Snake, Giant, Sea
Solifugid, Giant
Son of Kyuss
Sphinx, Criosphinx
Sphinx, Hieracosphinx
Spider, Giant, Water (Marine)
Spriggan
Squealer
Squirrel, Carniverous Flying
Squirrel, Giant, Black
Stench Kow
Stone Guardian
Strangle Weed
Su-Monster
Sundew, Giant
Swan
Swanmay
Swordfish
Tabaxi
Tasloi
Tentamort
Terithran
Termite, Giant Harvester, Soldier
Termite, Giant Harvester, Worker
Thork
Thought Eater
Thunder Beast
Thunderherder
Tiger
Tiger Fly
Tiger, Sabre-Tooth (Smilodon)
Time Elemental
Tirapheg
Titanothere
Toad, Giant, Ice
Transposer
Tree, Black Willow
Tree, Hangman
Tri-Flower Frond
Trilloch
Triton
Troll, Spirit
Turtle, Giant (see also Dinosaur, Archelon)
Turtle, Giant, Sea
Turtle, Giant, Snapping
Tween
Twilight Bloom
Umpleby
Urchin, Black
Urchin, Green
Urchin, Land
Urchin, Red
Urchin, Silver
Urchin, Yellow
Ustilagor
Vagabond
Vegepygmy, Thornie
Verme
Vision
Vodyanoi
Vortex
Vulchling
Vulture
Vulture, Giant
Wasp, Giant
Webbird
Whale (any sort)
Whale, Narwhale
Whipweed
Will-O-(the)-Wisp
Wind Walker
Witherstench
Witherweed
Wolf, Dire
Wolf-In-Sheep's-Clothing
Wolfwere
Worm, Mottled
Worm, Rockworm (Thoqqua)
Worm, Tenebrous
Worm, Tunnel
Xag-Ya
Xaren
Xeg-Yi
Yellow Musk Creeper
Yellow Musk Zombie
Yeth Hound
Zombie, Monster
Zorbo
Zygom


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Post Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 1:18 pm 
 

That's quite a list Paul 8O


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Post Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 3:29 am 
 

I recall Grenadier included a free inivisible stalker miniature in their Comedy Lords box set.   :wink:

  


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Post Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 5:04 am 
 

darkseraphim wrote:
Here's some monsters that are rarely done justice that I think people would love to see.

•        Bugbear (correctly proportioned)
•        Carrion Crawler
•        Demons (correctly proportioned; Type VI especially, although V probably represents the greatest challenge)
•        Dragon (Monster Manual / Sutherland style)
•        Ghoul (in suitably animated poses, crouching, pouncing, stalking, etc., instead of just a stand-around-zombie thing)
•        Giant Spider
•        Hobgoblins (with the intriguing Japanese armor overtones)
•        Hydra
•        Manticore (some compromise between Sutherland, Trampier from M&T and the S2 orange cover)
•        Ogre
•        Orcs (with swine-like features, but still realistic)
•        Owlbear (I've never been pleased with any; one like the B2 cover, less chubby and more muscular, would be great!)
•        Shadow (something evocative; I like the old Grenadier undead figure that's an animate robe without hands or face, for example)
•        Skeleton (the skulls tend to be exaggerated, the ribcages where all the detail is are rarely done right)
•        Slimes (that look animate and sculpted, as opposed to a cast-off)
•        Troll (Sutherland, again correctly proportioned)
•        Umber Hulk


A lot of those figures above were represented in the AD&D range that Citadel released in the mid-1980s.  They were nice figures (although I don't like the orcs), and if you want more info, my site at http://www.otherworld.me.uk is worth a look.  I particularly like the Bugbears, Carrion Crawler, Ogres and Trolls. The Hobgoblins are cool too.

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