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Post Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 4:43 am 
 

Looks to me like there's two editions, Frank. I'd say you have a pre-pub and that looks like the final product. Whadda ya think?

Where did you get the copy you sold on eBay, Otherworld?


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Post Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 9:28 am 
 

That looks pretty cool, thanks for sharing the additional details IttyBitty :D

Back to Mark's original question:  I think that re-publishing items is a legitimate option for copyright holders (or vacaters, in the UK, I guess):  for example, Rob Kuntz has made no bones about the fact that he intends to publish some of the original manuscript items that he's sold.  We've been talking a lot about also publishing editions of the originals too:  printed copies of the original maps and keys, with transcriptions of the keys, as well as some additional historical anecdotes and stories about the players, etc.  If these were published in limited and non-limited editions, they would certainly wouldn't detract from the value of the originals (which would only increase in perceived value, I think), while the limited and regular editions might also become collectors items if the print runs aren't overly large and they're high-quality editions, and fun material to play through.  

I don't see any difference between what Kuntz is working on and the copyright holders of Kalifax making it available (or, to another idea posted awhile ago, a CD Archive of the Beholder fanzine, for example [which I still think is a hugely wonderful idea, btw, and I hope doesn't disappear into the ether]).  These would all simply be later edition printings of the same materials (perhaps in a different format, of course).  

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Post Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 9:59 am 
 

I think the Adventure Pack was the supplement mentioned.
If Itty's copy is a foldered copy, then it does indeed appear that Mark's copy is a pre-pub, which was what I suspected. I wonder what the content difference is?


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Post Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 12:10 pm 
 

Hi IttyBitty,

Is there a page count anywhere that says how many pages are in each book?

I'm just wondering if they decided the original 200+ page edition was too long so they split it up into a couple of books so it would be more manageable.

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Post Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 2:00 pm 
 

Those maps certainly look like Judges Guild.

The whole style, however, kinda looks like Thieves Guild without the three-hole punch.

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Post Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 2:11 pm 
 

grodog wrote:That looks pretty cool, thanks for sharing the additional details IttyBitty :D

Back to Mark's original question:  I think that re-publishing items is a legitimate option for copyright holders (or vacaters, in the UK, I guess):  for example, Rob Kuntz has made no bones about the fact that he intends to publish some of the original manuscript items that he's sold.  We've been talking a lot about also publishing editions of the originals too:  printed copies of the original maps and keys, with transcriptions of the keys, as well as some additional historical anecdotes and stories about the players, etc.  If these were published in limited and non-limited editions, they would certainly wouldn't detract from the value of the originals (which would only increase in perceived value, I think), while the limited and regular editions might also become collectors items if the print runs aren't overly large and they're high-quality editions, and fun material to play through.  

I don't see any difference between what Kuntz is working on and the copyright holders of Kalifax making it available (or, to another idea posted awhile ago, a CD Archive of the Beholder fanzine, for example [which I still think is a hugely wonderful idea, btw, and I hope doesn't disappear into the ether]).  These would all simply be later edition printings of the same materials (perhaps in a different format, of course).  

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Post Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 5:03 pm 
 

well mike if you somehow get it printed or whatever, i would like one!

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Post Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 11:23 pm 
 

The main module of Kalifax is 200 pages in length, Adventure Pack 1 is 30.

I decided to open (unwrap, really) Adventure Pack 1 to get more info.   

Back page of Adventure Pack 1:

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Inner cover page:

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Close-up of copyright:

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Close-up of Art copyright:

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First page of adventures:

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Page 30 (another layout of small town and keep):

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Post Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:58 am 
 

At 240 pages, I'd say they decided to split the pre-pub into two separate products. That might make Mark's Kali nearly unique.


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Post Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 12:29 am 
 

p.s.

Mars wrote:I think this is my most expensive purchase too (by about $120).


Kalifax; $227



Just noticed, in passing, from <2 months ago: Beastmaker Mountain; $168

So make that "most expensive by $59" then, I guess...



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Post Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 12:38 am 
 

faro wrote:p.s.

Kalifax; $227

Just noticed, in passing, from <2 months ago: Beastmaker Mountain; $168
So make that "most expensive by $59" then, I guess...

Strange how memory plays tricks like that, isn't it? :3

Hope you enjoy 'em both. :)




Good call!  I was going through my "rares" and thinking what I paid for them and could only think of a couple that I had spent $100 on.  Completely forgot about Beastmaker.

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Post Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 7:47 am 
 

mbassoc2003 wrote:Where did you get the copy you sold on eBay, Otherworld?


I bought it from a second hand games dealer in the UK,  the ever reliable Colin Wheeler at Second Games Galore, for about £8 I think.

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