non-D&D TSR products?
Post new topic Reply to topic Page 1 of 1
Author


Grandstanding Collector

Posts: 5653
Joined: Nov 16, 2002
Last Visit: Sep 22, 2021
Location: Wichita, KS, USA

Post Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2003 2:27 am 
 

Does anyone know good sources of info for non-D&D TSR products?  






...but I don't know of sites similar to the Acaeum that cover EPT, MA, Tractics, Snit's Revenge, etc., as well as the later releases like Top Secret, Star Frontiers, Gang Busters, etc.  



Anyone know good places to research these products?


Allan Grohe ([email protected])
Greyhawk, grodog Style

Editor and Project Manager, Black Blade Publishing
https://www.facebook.com/BlackBladePublishing/

 WWW  

User avatar

Verbose Collector
Acaeum Donor

Posts: 1228
Joined: Mar 08, 2003
Last Visit: Sep 21, 2021
Location: Close to GenCon

Post Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2003 7:55 pm 
 

Hi Allan,

I too would be interested in any info on these products. I have three different printings of Tractics: (2)Wood-Grain Sets, and a white box with the wizard logo. I know there is at least 1 other white box printing by TSR out there. The oldest printing that I have has two books by Guidon and one by TSR. Does anyone have any info on the Guidon editions?

  


Grandstanding Collector

Posts: 5653
Joined: Nov 16, 2002
Last Visit: Sep 22, 2021
Location: Wichita, KS, USA

Post Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2003 11:09 pm 
 

Here's another example non-D&D TSR product (though a catalog ;-)



http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... =2545&rd=1


Allan Grohe ([email protected])
Greyhawk, grodog Style

Editor and Project Manager, Black Blade Publishing
https://www.facebook.com/BlackBladePublishing/

 WWW  


Active Collector
Acaeum Donor

Posts: 68
Joined: Sep 05, 2003
Last Visit: Feb 08, 2008

Post Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2003 2:24 am 
 

Someplace I've got a white box of Tractics.  



Anyone have the original die that came in it, or did it not have one?



Not sure what edition it is or where it is exactly.



Contacted EGG a few years ago asking about it and he gave me some eratta for it in an email.  The message was lost in a harddrive crash last year.

  


Active Collector

Posts: 66
Joined: Sep 06, 2003
Last Visit: Aug 23, 2021
Location: Sydney, Australia

Post Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2003 4:50 am 
 

To be honest I think the Acaeum is the best place to do that.  Not sure how many guys run the place (only spoken with one person) but if they are overworked maybe a few volunteers from the messageboards could help out.  Each person doing a particular product line (1 for Planescape, 1 for Alternity etc.).  I would limit the scope upto the point where WOTC took over, so only items that were "truly" from TSR would be listed.

  

User avatar

Site Admin

Posts: 2111
Joined: Oct 19, 2002
Last Visit: Sep 22, 2021
Location: Honolulu, HI

Post Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2003 1:17 pm 
 

Just to give you an idea of what we're talking about here -- if you check the TSR Stock List (in the Library), you'll quickly see that probably only 1/5 of the items on that list are covered on this site.  Maybe less.  The Acaeum currently weighs in at about 120 megs, which, if you consider that the bulk of the site is scans (around 100 megs worth), means that to cover everything TSR would require in the neighborhood of 500 megabytes of space.



Not that space is the biggest problem -- the biggest problem is time.  Yes, it's only little ol' me slaving away on this end.  Because of real-world constraints, I'm not able to put the time into the site that I used to.  Frankly, I'm not even able to keep up with the current flow of submissions.  Just wait for this next update -- several of you sent submissions six months ago, and I still haven't gotten around to 'em yet.



I've actually been curious as to why nobody else has taken up the gauntlet and put up their own site.  There's several venues still wide open -- non-D&D TSR being just one.  There's also Judges Guild (the Judges Guild Codex is a bit of a mess, and it hasn't been updated in over two years now, so I'd say it was dead in the water).  Etcetera.



While I think it'd be nice from a completist's point-of-view to have everything TSR under one roof, I think it's unrealistic.  Besides the time requirement (and from long experience, many people volunteer to help but don't often come through in the clutch...), I think the challenges of maintaining a navigable web structure for something so large would be a problem.  As evidenced by a few recent posts, many people probably don't know every nook and cranny of this site, let alone one that was five times bigger (for that matter, I often get lost myself, especially when trying to figure out every hyperlink reference to a Basic Set, etc).



Just my long-winded two cents.  The short of it:  it can't be done on this website.  But for those with the motivation to bite off a small chunk of the material remaining out there, I think the opportunity is golden.  I'd caution anybody about trying to tackle it all, however.



Foul

  


Prolific Collector
Acaeum Donor

Posts: 905
Joined: Apr 09, 2003
Last Visit: Nov 09, 2015
Location: Karlsruhe, Germany

Post Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2003 1:50 pm 
 

Scott, one possible solution for the problems you mention would be to generate the contents (item descriptions) dynamically from a database. There are some developers among the forum contributors, so maybe you could get a little help there?



Personally I think there is an easy solution to have "everything TSR under one roof" as you said:



Merge the Acaeum with Adrian Newman's page. Adrian's website offers the necessary broadth on TSR while the Acaeum has the depth of information. If you and Adrian don't have enough time open the staff list to other members of the community with more time so that all the submissions could be included on the new website. Within a couple of month the community would have a rather comprehensive and complete TSR collecting website.



Now add the results from a tool like Olav Riediger's auction history software and you'd be able to include current market values on each seperate item.



I totally agree with you that the whole thing couldn't be done by one individual, especially not if this indivdual would have to earn money with a regular job, but if the interested members of the community worked together under the guidance of one or more moderators, it would be possible. It's not easy, but it's possible. When I'm talking about "community contribution" I don't mean socialist ideals but modern management practices like leading a team of worldwide located developers on the same project. The internet makes it possible.



I was wondering about this since I first discovered your and Adrians website. Why not combine it? Merge pleaaaase ... I bet many of these will be more than willing to contribute (count me among them), if they are not mere henchmen, but able to work autonomous on a part of the project where they are responsible.



What do you think?

  

User avatar

Sage Collector
Acaeum Donor

Posts: 2459
Joined: Nov 06, 2002
Last Visit: Aug 07, 2021
Location: Queensland, Australia

Post Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2003 6:06 pm 
 

Ralf Toth wrote:Scott, one possible solution for the problems you mention would be to generate the contents (item descriptions) dynamically from a database.




I was thnking (Haha) of doing this as well, if makes it so much easier to put new items up, instead of 1 page per item and the repetive html code you have to generate.... I usually put my pages up on free sites, but every time I have to move (either do to too many pop ups being introduced, the provider going under, i have to change the code on 100 odd pages, not exciting on my end for sure) actually my last one looks like it has just erased me as I didn't update often enough, I'm thinking of just buying a domain name and getting it over with...



Brette:)

 WWW  


Grandstanding Collector

Posts: 5653
Joined: Nov 16, 2002
Last Visit: Sep 22, 2021
Location: Wichita, KS, USA

Post Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2003 7:56 pm 
 

Scott---



Have you considered adding more staff to the Acaeum---folks whom you trust to do a good job on X, Y, Z topics?  



Canonfire! at http://www.canonfire.com is primarily the brainchild of Living Greyhawk Gazetteer author Gary Holian, but a staff of volunteers (including me) help to maintain the site while he works on enhancements, forklift upgrades on the site code, etc.  



The drawback to running a site with volunteers is that you may end up with conflicts among them, or some are unreliable, etc.  However, if you could find people willing to work together with you, whom you would in general be willing to trust, it might be a viable alternative to your one-man show.  (Not that I'm not quite impressed with what you've been able to accomplish, mind you; I'm just addressing the workload issue).


Allan Grohe ([email protected])
Greyhawk, grodog Style

Editor and Project Manager, Black Blade Publishing
https://www.facebook.com/BlackBladePublishing/

 WWW  


Active Collector

Posts: 66
Joined: Sep 06, 2003
Last Visit: Aug 23, 2021
Location: Sydney, Australia

Post Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2003 11:51 pm 
 

How about someone picks a topic (Planescape for instance) puts together a web using the Acaeum as a template and then submit it to the Acaeum.  That way the Acaeum guys only have to review it and not generate it from scratch.


Oderint dum metuant...

  


Prolific Collector
Acaeum Donor

Posts: 417
Joined: Nov 05, 2002
Last Visit: Sep 19, 2021
Location: Sydney, Australia

Post Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2003 7:49 am 
 

Just a post back on topic... ;-)

Here's a TSR non-D&D - 4th Dimension :

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... gory=44108



Nev

 WWW  

User avatar

Grandstanding Collector

Posts: 5645
Joined: Jun 30, 2003
Last Visit: Sep 19, 2021
Location: New Hampsha

Post Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2003 10:52 am 
 

While I agree with the idea of having it all under one roof, I think it should be devoid of prices. Auction sale prices would be fine, but estimated values would just cause some of the same problems we see now: "Well, the Acaeum says it is worth $970,000".


If you hit a Rowsdower, you get to keep it.

 WWW  

User avatar

Verbose Collector
Acaeum Donor

Posts: 1295
Joined: Nov 24, 2002
Last Visit: Aug 18, 2021
Location: Brescia, Italy

Post Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2003 1:01 pm 
 

FoulFoot wrote: I've actually been curious as to why nobody else has taken up the gauntlet and put up their own site.  There's several venues still wide open -- non-D&D TSR being just one.  There's also Judges Guild (the Judges Guild Codex is a bit of a mess, and it hasn't been updated in over two years now, so I'd say it was dead in the water).  Etcetera.





Well, I have taken up the gauntlet. To tell the truth, the seminal idea for Dungeons.it (http://www.dungeons.it) crept out of my brain before knowing The Acaeum, but when I discovered this site I was both awed  8O and inspired  :o to do the same, especially for the Italian language D&D products running toward extinction  :( . At the monent I'm busy completing the catalogation of the D&D TSR items after 1990 (for example, I have recently added with Danilo Moretti a section for Hollow World) which Acaeum doesn't cover. I have added in the past a little section for the first 13 AD&D books, considering them 'inspirational' and the closest to D&D. Now we are working to a section for all of the Italian AD&D products and we update regularly the section for the Third Edition/d20 System in Italian in the same site (yes, they share the house... :D ). I can say proudly that our listing and descriptions of Third Edition products are better than the ones given in the Italian publishers' web sites, none excluded  8O.

  


Active Collector

Posts: 11
Joined: Dec 19, 2002
Last Visit: Dec 09, 2004
Location: Midwest

Post Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2003 9:01 pm 
 

I can probably help with some Tractics information.  I've got a few of the old Guidon sets.  I'll try to put in some time to find the differences in the printings, they are quite similar.  I have one set , maybe the oldest, that  has a misprinted page which is printed upside down.

I have collected a lot of the other TSR non-D&D games and would be happy to share information.  I hate to say it, but I don't have the savvy to create a web page.

  

User avatar

Prolific Collector

Posts: 772
Joined: Feb 21, 2003
Last Visit: Jun 22, 2018
Location: Spokane, WA

Post Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2003 9:53 pm 
 

A possibility.... :D

Since I started collecting at the beginning of this year I kept having to go through what I had gotten to see what I needed to get and decided to create a database using Excel. I just copied the Acaeum site and broke it down to pages that contained the index for each catagory (ie XD&D, OD&D,AD&D etc.). When I did that the links to the Acaeum transferred to the product in question (ie under T1 and Village of Homlet when you left click on them they open up the exact spot located on the Aaeum). I even put in the current values for condition and the rarity of the item in question then left enough space to put in some notes for the items that I do have. So why can't we as a communnity pick a TSR product line and pull all known web page links to a particular product into one excel file for each topic (ie like Planescape). That way over time, as we collect information from various sites on the web, we can eventually just clone the info that we collect into one web based database. During the collection process maybe someone who has a web page can post excell sheets covering the different topics, create a password for each sheet that will only be emailed out to verified members/contributors. That way outside influences cannot mess with what we have accomplished so far.





PS. In case anyone is intersested in the Excel database/inventory tracker that I created just let me know and I'll email it to you so that you can see what I'm talking about. Better yet if someone has a web site that would like to post it let me know.



PSS. Sorry but I did not factor in foreign editions  :(


"Ah, you seek meaning? Then listen to the music, not the song."

"I know that you believe that you understood what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant."

  
Post new topic Reply to topic Page 1 of 1