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Post Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 1:46 pm 
 

No one yet has pointed out that the only guaranteed method of preserving a document, for as long as we can percieve as being the future, is to digitize it and publish it free on the internet. That is the only near cast iron guarantee that the document will survive everything the future holds. Many hands, many copies, and all that.

Not something I can condone or justify in any way, but from a purely academic point of view the internet is an ever present, ever growing, self-sustaining, self-renewing reposetory of information.

That is the other side of this arguement. Public Domain is the safest way to preserve anything except a secret.


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Post Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 6:10 pm 
 

Have any details on the missing DB issues surfaced yet?


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Post Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 9:40 pm 
 

All issues of the Domesday Book (including issue #1) have been located.  I have not been sent the details (or cover scans), other than what is already on the website here.  That's up to the collectors who have those issues, to decide whether they wish to share that info.

I guess the good news is that no issues have been lost to time.

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Post Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 9:53 pm 
 

that is good news

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Post Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:48 pm 
 

I wasn't aware there was serious doubt about the continuing existence of these.

If people have questions about any of the Domesday Books, I'd be happy to answer them...?

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Post Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 5:15 pm 
 

FoulFoot wrote:All issues of the Domesday Book (including issue #1) have been located.

Any summaries available (as I contributed)?

  

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Post Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 5:49 pm 
 

I'll just list off the contents without much editorializing. I see that Paul already covered #4.

I'm surprised that you don't mention the interesting article in Ge'ez in your summary of DB#5.

I'd also remark that there is some pretty good evidence that the contents of a theoretical #14 would differ from those listed.

As an aside, in reference to the Messenger speculation here, there were articles about the proposed Medieval Society in a couple of the IFW's periodicals of the era, including the Messenger and the Supplement. AFAIK these were more or less directly in the few weeks leading up to DB#1 - there's nothing from 1969. The important one by Rob Kuntz is the March 1970 IFW Supplement. The Messenger notes are from Gygax, and do have some minor historical interest in detailing how Rob ended up the first King instead of Gary.

Domesday Book #1 (March 15, 1970)

One-page, no attribution (presumably all by Gygax). All are short blurbs, 1 paragraph or so.

"Hear Ye, Hear Ye, Hear Ye!"
"King: Robert (Kuntz) I"
"Program of Activities"
"Fattening Ye Exchecquer"
"Entering the Lists"

Domesday Book #2 (April 1, 1970)

One-page, no attribution (presumably all by Gygax). All are short blurbs, 1 paragraph or so.

"Muster of Arms Goes Apace"
"DB Contest #I"
"What is the Medieval Period?"
"King Creates First Peer of the Realm"
"Armorial Bearings"
"Join this Society!!!"
"DB Contest #II"

Domesday Book #3 (April 15, 1970)

Four pages, plus a joke. Mostly unattributed, presumably by Gygax.

"What the Heck is This?"
"DB Contest III"
"Attention: Miniatures Enthusiasts"
"DB Contest IV"
"Ranks of Liegemen [sic] Swell!"
"Wanted by the King!"
"Divisions of the Medieval Period" (Perren)
"The Battle of Webster's Gully" (early LGTSA miniatures battle report, the bulk of the issue)
"Forsooth! Scribings of Ye Editor!"
"Plug Time Again!"
"Who is the Varlet Responsible for This?!"
... joke page

Domesday Book #9 (undated)

Twenty-one pages. Unlike the issues described above, this one has a Table of Contents - pretty fancy. Printed by Schleicher.

"The Varangian Guard" (unattributed)
"Futile" (Dave Arneson)
"Evolution of Naval Warfare" (Dave Arneson)
"The Great Kingdom" (Gary Gygax)
"Precedence by Title or Office" (unattributed)
"The Mongols in Europe" (Rick Crane)
"Manzikert" (Gary Gygax)

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Post Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 9:01 pm 
 

Everything I've gotten -- from you and others -- is up here:

http://www.acaeum.com/library/domesday.html

Edit: posted this before I saw the post above!  And btw, if you happen to actually have the issues you mention, cover scans would be much appreciated!

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Post Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 11:12 pm 
 

i'm working off memory (because i haven't looked inside it in a bit), but the description of issue #14 here on the site is pretty accurate. i brought it with to the North Texas RPG Con for people to see (along with a few other choice rares).


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Post Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 11:48 pm 
 

I'm sorry stratochamp, I didn't mean to suggest you were misrepresenting the documents that you have or anything along those lines - certainly I know that you're holding some very serious pieces of history. I just meant that there are external sources that describe the circumstances under which the Domesday Book was discontinued, and also some direct hints about what a hypothetical #14 might have contained.

For a concrete example, take a look at the very end of "Facts about Blackmoor" in DB#13. It actually has a "next issue" blurb suggesting that there would be a followup article in the next DB. We know that the text for that followup exists (it survived in a different format). I would be pretty surprised if it did not get included into what would have been a 14th DB.

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Post Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 12:36 am 
 

hi increment, no need to apologize, i took no offense at anything you wrote. i understand the logical inference you were making as to its contents. It seems however that the issue was ready to go out as it was, so perhaps his intent at that time was to save the teased part 2 of Blackmoor for a future issue.

by the way, i did go check and the description on the website is accurate as to the contents of DB 14


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Post Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 3:40 pm 
 

Regarding posting cover scans, I'd be happy to start making more information about the Domesday Book available, including scans, though of course "cover scans" of the first couple issues are in fact scans of the entire issue. I do however get the sense that the community perhaps believes the Domesday Book is more important as a resource for understanding the history of Chainmail and D&D than it probably is. As far as I know, it was not the earliest nor the only place that most of the key pieces appeared, though that requires a bit of explanation. I started writing all this as a post for this thread, but it got a bit long so I put it up on a blog page instead:

http://playingattheworld.blogspot.com/2 ... -book.html

One of the things I provide in the blog post, incidentally, is a link to a university library that is holding three copies of the Domesday Book. Useful if you want more than cover scans.

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Post Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 4:52 pm 
 

increment wrote:One of the things I provide in the blog post, incidentally, is a link to a university library that is holding three copies of the Domesday Book. Useful if you want more than cover scans.


Yes, I've been in touch with Bowling Green, and am hoping to get scans from there sometime in the not too distant future :D

edit:  so, when's your book coming out, Jon?


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Post Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 5:06 pm 
 

The official release date is next Wednesday (Aug 1), but it may open for orders on Amazon before then.

I was surprised not to see the BGSU Domesday Book holdings mentioned here before. They turn up from a WorldCat search pretty quickly, and they've been there for some years now. Funny story, when I started working with them on it, they didn't quite have the entire collection indexed yet and available through their catalog, so I actually hired a student with a scanner to go through boxes there for me. Since then they've made much more sense of their holdings.

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Post Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 6:04 pm 
 

Diplomacy Zines (and the Hoosier Archives) are something I know a little about.  Diplomacy is one of my other hobbies besides D&D.  I always liked seeing the common names in both; Gygax, Lakofka, Turnbull and St. Andre being the first that spring to mind.  I liked seeing the ads for Walter Buchanan's Diplomacy World in the SR and early Dragon Mags.  The stories of the Hoosier Archives from a Diplomacy Hobbyist perspective are documented here http://www.diplom.org/Zine/F1999R/Hand/about, here http://www.diplomacyworld.net/old/hoosier.htm, and here http://www.diplomacyworld.net/pdf/dw100.pdf.

I was aware that Gary Gygax was credited with several Diplomacy variants in the Diplomacy Variant Bank.  See diplomacyzines.org.uk/VariantBank/VBAlp ... BAlpha.htm.  There you will find a scanned copy of the rules of the Diplomacy Variant Crusadomacy, written by Gary, apparently taken from Panzerfaust.  In it is a variation on a familiar picture, signed Gygax. http://www.diplomacyzines.org.uk/VariantBank/m/mc04.pdf

This is probably old news to the research hounds here, but it might be fun for some of the other newbies.  What other connections between D&D and Diplomacy do you grognards know of?  What troves of research material lay unmined?

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Post Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 12:31 pm 
 

Lurker Below wrote:  There you will find a scanned copy of the rules of the Diplomacy Variant Crusadomacy, written by Gary, apparently taken from Panzerfaust.  In it is a variation on a familiar picture, signed Gygax. http://www.diplomacyzines.org.uk/VariantBank/m/mc04.pdf


Thanks for the link. I posted the artwork to my blog today for Gary Gygax Day.


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Post Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 5:11 pm 
 

I can't recall ever seeing a drawing by Gygax, anywhere. That's cool. It looks like a tracing though.


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Post Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:18 pm 
 

increment wrote:The official release date is next Wednesday (Aug 1), but it may open for orders on Amazon before then.


Hi Jon, I just got your book today!  Massive, can't wait to dive in and read it!

  
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