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Post Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 5:34 pm 
 

I'm selling a beautiful VF+ one of these soon but this isn't an ad - I want to make sure I have my facts straight before I write the ad because this is a big ticket item. The parchment/mono cover is the first printing, right? Mine says 1980 if that helps.


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Post Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 5:38 pm 
 

Calithena wrote:I'm selling a beautiful VF+ one of these soon but this isn't an ad - I want to make sure I have my facts straight before I write the ad because this is a big ticket item. The parchment/mono cover is the first printing, right? Mine says 1980 if that helps.


Yes it is!  I have one and it has a cover that looks like parchment.  A second printing was also released.

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Post Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 12:50 am 
 

http://www.icewebring.com/ICE_Products/ ... nd_1.shtml should help to sort through the printings.


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Post Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 9:55 am 
 

Just dredging up an old slightly relevant thread.

I'm in the process of removing the staples from a 2nd or 3rd printing ot The Iron Wind (the one with the red/white/blue cover) and I notice a second set of staple holes adjacent but slightly lower down from each set of staples. These staple holes go all the way through, but not into the cover. ICE took a 1st printing, removed the parchment cover, and slapped a new cover onto the book to resell it. This so called '2nd printing' is infact a recovered 1st printing. I wonder if they are all like this? Or whether some are 1st print recovers and some newly printed 2nd printings?

Anyone got a copy of Iron Wind to hand for comparison?


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Post Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 11:10 am 
 

That sounds about right.

"There was an initial printing of 5,000 Iron Wind's on that golden parchtext with a B&W cover and interiors. After it had been selling for a few months the distributors talked ICE into doing a color cover so Pete Fenlon drew the color cover using an overlay process and they stripped the B&W cover off the remainder of the first printing and bound the new color covers back on them...."

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http://www.icewebring.com/ICE_Products/ ... Wind_1.php

[edited to draw attention to that misplaced apostrophe in the original quote, really, it is quite embarrassing...]

  


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Post Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 11:44 am 
 

Did you name-change-return not work, Ian??


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Post Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 11:47 am 
 

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Post Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 12:31 pm 
 

You can try mate - but by the book, I save as a 10th level Fighter (rolls dice...)  :wink:

  

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Post Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 12:39 pm 
 

mbassoc2003 wrote:You can try mate - but by the book, I save as a 10th level Fighter (rolls dice...)  :wink:

Now if you used the same avatar, that'd be funny.


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Post Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 12:40 pm 
 

mbassoc2003 wrote:"There was an initial printing of 5,000 Iron Wind's on that golden parchtext with a B&W cover and interiors. After it had been selling for a few months the distributors talked ICE into doing a color cover so Pete Fenlon drew the color cover using an overlay process and they stripped the B&W cover off the remainder of the first printing and bound the new color covers back on them...."

So,was there then a printing with the colour cover and a different interior? Or is it then a whole new book?


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Post Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 1:22 pm 
 

Truth is I don't know. :)
However, let me conjecture. One the one hand, it seems likely, given the interest in rpgs back then and the state of the industry, that more than 5,000 copies would have been sold between 1980 and 1984.  1980 being the print date for 1st print (a) b/w cover and also 1st print (b) replaced colour cover, and 1984 being the print date for Iron Wind 2nd Edition.  If so, a 2nd print (colour cover no extra staple holes) would likely have been done circa 1982/83

During the same period however, ICE printed Arnor, Umbar, Northern Mirkwood, Southern Mirkwood, and worked on a whole host of other MERP titles (which came out in 1984).  These were big sellers.  Would they also have squeezed out a second printing of the 1st Ed. Iron Wind?  I don't have multiple copies of the colour cover, so can't check.  I do have a few emails of old ICE staffers - so will send out a few queries and see if I get a response...

  

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Post Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 4:04 pm 
 

. wrote:So,was there then a printing with the colour cover and a different interior? Or is it then a whole new book?


My colour cover also has the inner book being from the parchment paper with the extra staple holes.  Maybe the colour covers are all fakes?  Someone picked up the excess thrown out books from the first print, printed off some colour covers and sold then as a brand new book?

Most likely ICE only wanted to update their stock to reflect that Iron Wind was now part of the Loremaster series without having to print up all new books.

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Post Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 4:14 pm 
 

Sounds about right. I was just wondering if there was a subsequent print with the red/white/blue cover, or do they all have the parchment insides?


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Post Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 4:35 pm 
 

There is a later printing with the blue cover that has a completely different interior.

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Post Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 4:44 pm 
 

Mars wrote:There is a later printing with the blue cover that has a completely different interior.

Cheers. Is it BW and colour on white paper?


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Post Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 4:51 pm 
 

The first page is black text on white paper with a blue/teal image.  The rest of the pages are black and white.  The paper isn't really a bright white but more a bit yellowy.

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Post Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 5:29 pm 
 

Mars wrote:The first page is black text on white paper with a blue/teal image.  The rest of the pages are black and white.  The paper isn't really a bright white but more a bit yellowy.

I gotta get me one of those. Did they change the typeface? This one is hell to scan.


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Post Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 7:22 pm 
 

Yes, it is was redone to put it in a similar format with their other products - now that they had them.

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