I'm looking for the Changling equivilent of Orpheus
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Post Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 8:56 pm 
 

I know that White Wolf had a series for Changling just like they did for Wraith the Oblivion.  I just can't recall the name for the Changling series (the Wraith one is Orpheus).

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Post Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 9:40 am 
 

Hi Steve --

I don't recall a "limited series" version of Changeling per se -- the line just lingered into 2004, when it was tied off as part of the Time of Judgement book. That said, they took a fresh look at the same thematic material at around the same time in a more explicitly fantasy setting(Exalted: Fair Folk), and this might be what you're thinking of. Anything in particular you're looking for?

Thanks by the way for your early work on Glorantha and of course the proto-Monster Manual stuff. I could probably stare at that stuff for the rest of my life.

  


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Post Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 1:35 pm 
 

martinglass wrote:Hi Steve --

I don't recall a "limited series" version of Changeling per se -- the line just lingered into 2004, when it was tied off as part of the Time of Judgement book. That said, they took a fresh look at the same thematic material at around the same time in a more explicitly fantasy setting(Exalted: Fair Folk), and this might be what you're thinking of. Anything in particular you're looking for?

Thanks by the way for your early work on Glorantha and of course the proto-Monster Manual stuff. I could probably stare at that stuff for the rest of my life.


I'm glad you like the work I did. ;)

I enjoyed the concept of Orpheus and was hoping that Changling had a similar work.  I was looking for the hidden story of why they were all thrown/sent/released back out of the elvish home realm, etc.

Was interesting to see that the "to the stars" line of games didn't go that far, and that of the various products, they now have:

Werewolves,
Vampires,
Mages and
Exaulted

as their remaining active products.

I was also impressed that Pendragon is still alive and well somewhere!  In a fifth edition!

Wow.  I enjoyed Pendragon, still have a bit of it around the house.  Was surprised to see it find a home away from Greg Stafford, away from Chaosium or any other place I'd expected to see it.  That must be a story.

Anyway, if you know the answer to the core Changling setting riddles (which are two, actually:  what really happened to the missing king, why the high elves really came back and what is going on there), I'd love to hear it, know where I could read it (either a product or a link).

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Post Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 1:49 pm 
 

http://cgi.ebay.com/World-of-Darkness-T ... 30461235QQ



Is that the product I want to find out how it all ends and how it all comes togehter?


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Post Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 5:09 pm 
 

Oh that takes me back. Fair enough, I guess.

Time of Judgment was after my time, but I'm told it's the closest we're going to get to official answers to all the (as you say) riddles the setting posed -- and even then, they were presented relatively tentatively, as options. One of the five scenarios dealt with the lost boy king (drugged and dazed for decades, if I recall); the others ignored that entire swathe of the setting entirely.

Likewise, I think the mystery of the high elf return was tangential to one of the other scenarios, but wasn't really addressed in any of the others (and I don't even think it got much play in the option that it does play into -- basically, there's new Higher elves coming and they're imperious and have to be convinced the changeling peoples aren't a failed experiment).

That game had a sometimes muddled, often compromised history, with the Home Realms and original quasi-Arthurian material suffering most, I think. Actually if you'd like the horse's mouth (falada), drop samchupp.com a line and tell him I said he might remember the original answers to your questions.

Speaking of interesting stories, yeah Pendragon, who knew? I don't know how actively involved Greg is with it, but it might be nice. Thanks again,

  


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Post Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 8:15 pm 
 

Found http://boggan.digitaldreaming.net/ with a complete book on-line, ordered a few.

Found out that the last three Changeling books were never released (one of those is the one that is online above).

Interesting product collapse, I wonder why?

Thanks for the feedback and suggestions.


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Post Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 8:44 pm 
 

Heh, "changeling equivalent of orpheus" indeed -- I feel like a harper at the gates of the underworld with this stuff, looking backward. The boggan guys are good though.

Sam may have more details on why the game never quite found its feet -- please do get in touch with him, or else I'll ask him to get in touch with you -- but it always seemed hamstrung by too many conflicting artistic and commercial agendas. Sewn together in committee, and then within months, a good chunk of the people who'd done the stitching were gone, leaving those who were left to negotiate between stuff they'd actually put in there and the unwanted stepchildren left behind by the others. And they did an amazing job, but sometimes it's hard.

I was always surprised it hung on for so long, like a knob of bone and a hank of hair. But you know better than anyone how peculiar these products can get, I guess. And I've probably bored people but to get on topic, a lot of those books came out in vanishingly small print runs (by modern gaming standards, anyway) and are pretty rare. Thanks,

  


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Post Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 8:55 pm 
 

martinglass wrote:Heh, "changeling equivalent of orpheus" indeed -- I feel like a harper at the gates of the underworld with this stuff, looking backward. The boggan guys are good though.

Sam may have more details on why the game never quite found its feet -- please do get in touch with him, or else I'll ask him to get in touch with you -- but it always seemed hamstrung by too many conflicting artistic and commercial agendas. Sewn together in committee, and then within months, a good chunk of the people who'd done the stitching were gone, leaving those who were left to negotiate between stuff they'd actually put in there and the unwanted stepchildren left behind by the others. And they did an amazing job, but sometimes it's hard.

I was always surprised it hung on for so long, like a knob of bone and a hank of hair. But you know better than anyone how peculiar these products can get, I guess. And I've probably bored people but to get on topic, a lot of those books came out in vanishingly small print runs (by modern gaming standards, anyway) and are pretty rare. Thanks,


Thanks.

I've left him some messages.  I hope he responds, and would appreciate a good word from you.

Guess I like Changeling since it meshes with my long running concept of elves/sidhe as natural inhabitants of the dream realm, with dreams replacing the astrael realm (or being the near part of it).

Most of the World of Darkness stuff really doesn't attract me, but I've enjoyed some of the Changeling stuff, ordered some more, and really enjoyed the two Orpheus books I found.

Thanks for sharing here (and I'd love to hear more), and I'm hoping to hear back more from your source.


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