tfm wrote:The most disturbing thing about these copies, aside from the obvious theft, is that people are paying money for them; in other words, more disturbing fakes are coming. It won't be long until a pristine Tsojconth or a pristine Ghost Tower or Tamoachan shows up. I would be wary of the mint item without provenance, and even then a comparison to a verified copy would be wise. We're lucky with the Gamelords stuff because the later print is obviously the result of an unskilled and careless mentality. A real pro could have done better. It seems a given that as the values increase for the reproducible rares, so will the temptation for larceny.BTW: For those of you needing a real Montie, Aaron still had some for $4.95 the last time I checked.
Badmike wrote: bring from $30-$50 as is, not to mention a "long lost" mint copy, or heavy forbid even a "lost" case of Tulan of the Isles or Brotherhood of the Bolt that is suspiciously unearthed. Then, if the guy
bclarkie wrote:Ummm, thanks. I guess since that you will not tell me about how you came about these, I am going to assume that you are infact directly responsible for the forgeries and I will now have to follow up with the rightful owner of the copyright on them. Selling unauthorized copies and making forgeries is quite illegal, and is very prosecuteable as by evidenced by what happened qith napster several years ago and what the MPAA is doing today to movie downloader. Good day.BTW, it is also illegal to sell photocopies of pages for which WOTC will be notified of as well.
mbassoc2003 wrote:The group here has a good feel for what looks and sounds like a duck. If everyone says they think its a duck, then it may well be a duck.With the recent Fazzlewood auctions (two mint condition Fazzlewoods going on eBay in one week, and one of the sellers only has a Black and White Scanner!), I suspect someone may well have made a killing with a photocopier, but it's for the buyers to prove that, and the only real way to do that would be a direct comparison with a known legitimate copy.But let's face it, if you're gonna fake a easy to reproduce digest book, you need to be pretty dumb to go for Complete Tavern over Fazzlewood. Even though Complete Tavern would draw less suspicion, you need to shift quite a lot of them in order to make a profit, whereas you only need to sell one Fazzlewood. The same goes for photocopied tourneys.
bclarkie wrote:I finally did get a response to my question, and boy was it an eye opener. The seller responded to my above question with this simple yet informative and well thought out reply. Seller responded with a "No.". Since he is clearly not taking this very seriously, I sent him this message:bclarkie wrote:Ummm, thanks. I guess since that you will not tell me about how you came about these, I am going to assume that you are infact directly responsible for the forgeries and I will now have to follow up with the rightful owner of the copyright on them. Selling unauthorized copies and making forgeries is quite illegal, and is very prosecuteable as by evidenced by what happened qith napster several years ago and what the MPAA is doing today to movie downloader. Good day.BTW, it is also illegal to sell photocopies of pages for which WOTC will be notified of as well.Lets see if this gets his attention.
Adam Shultz wrote: strike keeping you close to home as well, Dathon? A good day to catch up on paperwork here and waste a bit on forums/ebay.
tfm wrote:I wish it was the case that it's hard to age an item, but it's not. Even the faded paper which graces most of the rares I have seen can be duplicated. Spend some time looking at map collecting. You think it would be difficult to mimic a 15th century Viking map, but it has been done. It doesn't take a lot to antique something. Look at all of the shit coming out of China in the antiques section on eBay. It's a business. The same thing with African artifacts. Many of them are fake. This is how good they are: the forger will go to a field of ancient pottery shards, gather them up, grind them and then refire them into new forms undetectable by radio carbon dating. Wicked.As far as comparing things go, I think it's a great idea. To that end, I'll volunteer and perhaps some others could too to do the work to help those with questions about a particular item. Ideally, it would be nice to have them side by side for a microscopic comparison, but it may be possible to try it with descriptions/HR images of a selected spot on the cover. For example, pick a small letter on the Fazzle and scan it in at 9600dpi and post it where it could be compared or emailed. The paper/printing process is the key here. That's where the anomalies will come out.Any thoughts?
grodog wrote:Just like the previous thread, I called Tadashi's attention to this thread, since he is in fact the owner of the rights for all GL products. I can't imagine that Different Worlds will allow someone to steal revenue by using our intellectual property, especially when we a) are still selling legitimate, original copies of the books, and b) have plans to reprint GL material under a d20 conversion.
Badmike wrote:bclarkie wrote:BTW, it is also illegal to sell photocopies of pages for which WOTC will be notified of as well.Brian, what was he selling photocopies of from WOTC? On his site he's only selling the fake GameLords stuff right now.Mike B.
bclarkie wrote:BTW, it is also illegal to sell photocopies of pages for which WOTC will be notified of as well.
copyright thief seller wrote:1) Let's see...would you reveal where you get your items so others can get them and compete with your sales? No? So shut up. 2) I am not selling photocopies. Contact anyone you want. 3) You know what happens when you ass u me? 4) Kindly go away unless you have a legitimate question. e-mail to harass is a violation of eBay rules; your e-mails have no merit and will be reported.
