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Mister Yuk wrote in Silliest non-TSR auction price:If you don't mind SimperingToad, could you point out what pieces you're saying have lead rot, I'd like to learn more about it since I'm a new collector of minis.


Lead rot is to lead what rust is to iron.  Iron rust looks like orange-brown flakes; lead rot looks like grey powder.  Both involve oxidation of the metal.  Both rust and lead rot damage the finer details first.  Looking at the images, it appears that multiple pieces of the miniature are affected by lead rot.  These are not easily repaired.  The main difference between lead rot and rust is that, while rust can give you tetanus through an open wound, lead rot can result in lead poisoning if "ingested."  Lead rot powder easily transfers to the skin, and then if the powder is then rubbed on the nose or lips, it can be ingested.  The best way to prevent lead rot is by thoroughly painting all your miniatures containing lead, including the bottom of the base.  At a minimum, coat miniatures with a protective coating, like a primer or Dulcote.  The higher the humidity, the more likely a miniature will succumb to lead rot.

And this is another reason why metal miniatures are not ideal for gaming or collecting.  And this comes from someone with a large metal minis collection.  The Bones line of minis from Reaper are the future in my opinion.  8)



So all of the dull gray on the various pieces, some just in parts of it and others the whole piece are the rot you are speaking of? I was wondering if some of the pieces weren't just primered in gray. This is very good to know.

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Post Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 1:28 pm 
 

Mister Yuk wrote in Silliest non-TSR auction price:So all of the dull gray on the various pieces, some just in parts of it and others the whole piece are the rot you are speaking of? I was wondering if some of the pieces weren't just primered in gray. This is very good to know.


While I can't tell for sure just from a photograph, the darker gray areas are what I suspect show lead rot.  It appears that ridges show the darker grays, and the recessed areas are more often lighter gray in color.  You can also notice some spotting of darker gray areas just like rust often shows up as spots on iron.  The color variations on these mini parts does not appear to be from primer.  Early primer was often white, but not necessarily white.

Many early minis had excessive flash, obvious mold lines and other problems, including places where the metal content was not consistent.  In other words, miniature companies mixed various metals together, including lead, to create their their miniatures, and the metal didn't always mix or settle consistently.  The science improved as demand and production increased.  This is one reason why lead rot shows up quicker on some places that others since the lead content sometimes varies from place to place.   8)


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Post Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 3:54 pm 
 

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While I can't tell for sure just from a photograph, the darker gray areas are what I suspect show lead rot.  It appears that ridges show the darker grays, and the recessed areas are more often lighter gray in color.  You can also notice some spotting of darker gray areas just like rust often shows up as spots on iron.  The color variations on these mini parts does not appear to be from primer.  Early primer was often white, but not necessarily white.

Many early minis had excessive flash, obvious mold lines and other problems, including places where the metal content was not consistent.  In other words, miniature companies mixed various metals together, including lead, to create their their miniatures, and the metal didn't always mix or settle consistently.  The science improved as demand and production increased.  This is one reason why lead rot shows up quicker on some places that others since the lead content sometimes varies from place to place.   8)


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Post Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:37 pm 
 

The heads I think are definite. The spots on the legs probably as well. Not sure about the hand/club and the arm piece, though. Might just be a oddity from the mix. I do recall a few pieces from BITD that were simply dark from the metal mix.


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Post Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 4:04 am 
 

I was bummed that this particular Citadel Giant was A) incomplete and B) possibly suffering from lead rot. I can understand someone taking a chance on it, hoping that they would be able to find the missing piece and that the lead rot was perhaps just tarnish. In any event, too risky for me to chance that much money on.


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Post Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 6:32 pm 
 

I was talking to someone last night that was familiar with these Citadel pieces. He was pretty certain too that it was all Lead Rot.

I've purchased a few Grenadier and Archive minis, I'm going through them pretty carefully right now. Some of them are quite tarnished but don't seem to be flaking.

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Post Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 8:17 pm 
 

Mister Yuk wrote in Silliest non-TSR auction price:Some of them are quite tarnished but don't seem to be flaking.


Remember, they won't flake, they'll powder.  It may feel like they are dusty.  And even if they aren't leaving powder in your hands, make sure you don't touch your face while handling them and wash your hands when you are done.   8)


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Post Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:48 pm 
 

benjoshua wrote in Silliest non-TSR auction price:
Mister Yuk wrote in Silliest non-TSR auction price:Some of them are quite tarnished but don't seem to be flaking.


Remember, they won't flake, they'll powder.  It may feel like they are dusty.  And even if they aren't leaving powder in your hands, make sure you don't touch your face while handling them and wash your hands when you are done.   8)


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Post Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:08 am 
 

benjoshua wrote in Silliest non-TSR auction price:
Mister Yuk wrote in Silliest non-TSR auction price:Some of them are quite tarnished but don't seem to be flaking.


Remember, they won't flake, they'll powder.  It may feel like they are dusty.  And even if they aren't leaving powder in your hands, make sure you don't touch your face while handling them and wash your hands when you are done.   8)


Seriously? I usually just lick it off my fingers.
Headaches, stomach cramps, memory loss and tingling in the fingers and toes are symptoms of poisoning, but those are also associated with marriage so be sure to have a doctor check you out. I think I recall the level of safe lead caps at 1 decigram per 10 grams. Might be wrong, my brain doesn't seem to work so well anymore............. Anyways, if you really want to avoid lead use those hand condoms people typically use for dishes and whatnot. Lead can easily get in through a skin break, and hands are the most often injured portion of the body. I use the ones that come in a box with about a hundred, they're really cheap and worth using.


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Post Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 12:06 pm 
 

Deadlord wrote in Silliest non-TSR auction price:Anyways, if you really want to avoid lead use those hand condoms people typically use for dishes and whatnot. Lead can easily get in through a skin break, and hands are the most often injured portion of the body. I use the ones that come in a box with about a hundred, they're really cheap and worth using.


Or, if you are as fortunate as I am, and happen to work in the medical field, swipe some exam gloves and use those...  :roll:  8O  :lol:

  

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MadCatUSA wrote in Silliest non-TSR auction price:
Deadlord wrote in Silliest non-TSR auction price:Anyways, if you really want to avoid lead use those hand condoms people typically use for dishes and whatnot. Lead can easily get in through a skin break, and hands are the most often injured portion of the body. I use the ones that come in a box with about a hundred, they're really cheap and worth using.


Or, if you are as fortunate as I am, and happen to work in the medical field, swipe some exam gloves and use those...  :roll:  8O  :lol:

Preferably unused ones.  :mrgreen:


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Post Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 7:09 pm 
 

You all got me thinking about something. I've been collecting used D&D stuff, Books, modules, and the like. So besides that half the people in the country don't wash their hands after they use the bathroom and other various nastiness of the squawler that some people live in. I guess I need to add that some of these may have lead contamination because they may have played with minis while using their books and such.  :idea:

  


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Mister Yuk wrote in Silliest non-TSR auction price: may have lead contamination because they may have played with minis while using their books and such.  :idea:


That's why pizza goes so well with D&D. Touching the miniatures after pizza gives them a nice shine, & the lead poisoning makes the world of fantasy come alive! Wheeee!!!

  

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That's why pizza goes so well with D&D. Touching the miniatures after pizza gives them a nice shine, & the lead poisoning makes the world of fantasy come alive! Wheeee!!!


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Post Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2017 10:51 am 
 

SimperingToad wrote in Silliest non-TSR auction price:
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Or, if you are as fortunate as I am, and happen to work in the medical field, swipe some exam gloves and use those...  :roll:  8O  :lol:

Preferably unused ones.  :mrgreen:


Ummm... Yeah... Goes without saying...  8O  8O  8O  :?

  

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Post Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 10:26 pm 
 

Since my only real hobby is raising local endangered reptiles and amphibians, I spend over half the year doing idiotic things like slogging through swamps chest-deep in muck, digging through ancient abandoned houses full of asbestos, and tearing my way through masses of thorn-infested brush wearing a t-shirt, shorts and sneakers. I'm far too stupid to use gloves to handle anything that won't melt my tissue instantly.
I think that's a valid point, though. Minis were handled pretty regularly back when they first came out and gamers used them. Older books may well have lead dust. Another thing to consider: old BOXES that figurines came in probably have lead dust that could be inhaled.


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Post Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:49 am 
 

benjoshua wrote in Silliest non-TSR auction price:rust can give you tetanus through an open wound


That's why I love this crowd - such a fine appreciation for mythology. It's not micoorganisms on dirty objects that cause infection, but the corruptive, animistic spirit of the rust itself, because our medieval village hasn't discovered microorganisms yet.

I recommend miniatures made from philosophers stone, which is heavier than lead or gold, & which causes objects near it to glow with heavenly virtue. It can even make your hair fall out in a few days, which by principles of sympathetic magic must mean that you have gained the wisdom of age in a short time. Bonus!

  

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Post Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 8:11 am 
 

You are correct.  Although rust itself does not cause tetanus, objects that accumulate rust are often found in places that harbour anaerobic bacteria.  I found myself repeating what I've been taught without realizing what I actually stated.  Thanks.  I suspect part of the reason why people mis-state this is because it's just easier/shorter and provides adequate warning.  The consequences of erudite vernacular utilized irrespective of necessity can confuse.   8)


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Post Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 8:33 pm 
 

This one is a real stunner:

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I love the seller's enthusiasm:

"AS FAR AS I KNOW THIS MAY BE THE LAST COPY OF THIS ITEM IN MINT CONDITION LEFT ANYWHERE ON THE PLANET."


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Post Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:58 pm 
 

I made him an offer of $19,999. Looks like you get a full $1 in quarters.

Also, curled cover picture and smeared/stained back don't equal "mint" to me.


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