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Post Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 8:39 am 
 

Hiya, Brad!
Good to see you back around here, again. :)

Formerly Known As Morno wrote:The "Middle Earth Cards" were greeting cards with my illustrations for The Lord of the Rings - there were two sets, each with three cards each of two different illustrations.  They were something I had printed myself, before, during and after the WW days.

Interesting... Any scans, available (even if slightly OT)?
Your style would work wonders on that theme, I'm sure. ;)

Formerly Known As Morno wrote:...he also included one copy of a portfolio I published right after I left WW.  This was called "The Dice of Fate", and had a series of 8 1/2 x 11" prints of my WW covers, my Alarums & Excursions covers (more than I remembered, including one that wasn't used) and some original art that I don't think ever showed up anyplace else.

Was any of the internal artwork for the Dragon in that portfolio (or was that work-for-hire)?

Formerly Known As Morno wrote:I keep meaning to scan some of those to post here, but obviously I haven't gotten around to it yet.

*g*. Time, time, time...
If I may lead off, then, with a slight non-WW digression? One of my favorites (A&E #11; 5/76 - apologies for the rather rough scan);

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(Just a little bit better than the average A&E cover illo. :P Thanks!)

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Post Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 2:17 pm 
 

My favorite Morno work is in the Arduin materials.


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Post Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 4:42 pm 
 

faro wrote:If I may lead off, then, with a slight non-WW digression? One of my favorites (A&E #11; 5/76 - apologies for the rather rough scan);


Well I did four quick scans which will probably bog down this page more than enough :).

The first one is that A&E cover that wasn't used; I can't remember why.

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These are pretty difficult to scan well because they're on a textured paper; adjusting the brightness and contrast tends to knock out the texture, but also may kill some of the finer line work.

And no, none of the work for The Dragon was in there.  As far as I recall they only bought First North American serial rights, and in fact there are some extenuating circumstances that would give me the rights to most of it anyhow - but for whatever reason, I only included fifteen plates of covers for Wee Warriors, A&E covers, and some otherwise unpublished drawings.

It would be even harder to get good scans of the Middle Earth Cards drawings, since the cards were printed on colored stock.   I only know where one of those originals is, and I know that my favorite one burned up in a house fire.


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Post Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 4:45 pm 
 

MShipley88 wrote:My favorite Morno work is in the Arduin materials.


I like some of that pretty well too; Dave was a swell guy and great to work with.

But I think my own favorites from those days are the last Morno work I did, which would have been ink and watercolor pieces that I mostly sold at SF conventions.


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Post Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 5:18 pm 
 

brad - thats some superb art there chummer

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Post Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 6:46 pm 
 

*nods in agreement with Al*

Formerly Known As Morno wrote:The first one is that A&E cover that wasn't used; I can't remember why.

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Well, that answers a question I'd had over the font used on #34...
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Maybe your cover arrived late, was misplaced, or else a decision was taken to spread out the best artwork a bit. ;)
Lee didn't state which.

Seeing your portfolio scans (for which, many thanks) reminds me that I forgot to add in the title/desc for #11, above.
> "Brad writes that 'The Wrong Spell' shows a Wizard who has flung a spell from the scroll at an approaching group of Kobolds (or some such Vermin) whilst the Minotaur emerges and the Hobbit-Thief freaks out."

Formerly Known As Morno wrote:These are pretty difficult to scan well because they're on a textured paper; adjusting the brightness and contrast tends to knock out the texture, but also may kill some of the finer line work.

Mhmm... same problem when there's text on the back of the sheet.
And there's a lot of fine-line work in these. :)

Formerly Known As Morno wrote:And no, none of the work for The Dragon was in there.  As far as I recall they only bought First North American serial rights, and in fact there are some extenuating circumstances that would give me the rights to most of it anyhow.

You still have (some of) these, then?
Remember well 'The Journey Most Alone' in TD #7, but that might've been something to do with being the first copy I purchased (Dragons cost their weight in gold across in the UK, it seemed ;)).
Oh, and was the 'Mythos and Logos' cover (TD #6) pretty much your only published color work?

(I'll just have to imagine all those that were unpublished, I guess. ^^)

Formerly Known As Morno wrote:It would be even harder to get good scans of the Middle Earth Cards drawings, since the cards were printed on colored stock.   I only know where one of those originals is, and I know that my favorite one burned up in a house fire.

Sorry to hear that. :(

At least I know to look out for those on eBay in the remote hope that other copies might turn up.


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Post Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 11:01 pm 
 

That's really nice work, a distinctive style with an old skool flair.  
Are you interested in selling any of your old work?

  


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Post Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 12:48 am 
 

Well, so it DID get used eventualy (the cover on A&E 34).  I'm not crazy about that composition but I do like the way I set up the fight, with the one guy trying to trip the warrior while the other one bashes him from the side.  I think he was about to go boom there.

If you're asking whether I have the originals to the work that was published in The Dragon, no, I don't think I do.  I know I had the Mythos and Logos cover for a long time, but not any more.

Of those scan I posted, the last two were a couple of the otherwise unpublished ones.

As for "Oh, and was the 'Mythos and Logos' cover (TD #6) pretty much your only published color work? ", it was the only full color work I did under the Morno signature that was printed.  For the last things I did for Arduin, in 1980, I used a bizarre color process that involved lots of grey markers and a color wheel.  You didn't really know what the color version looked like till you saw it in print - you knew you wanted 10% cyan, 40% magenta, and so on, so you drew the seps on different pages, using a 10% grey marker on one, and a 40% grey marker on the other, and so on.

Color separations very very expensive back then, so most small press work was one color, maybe two.

I don't guess I was getting much work printed in full color till about 1986, when costs had started coming down.


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Post Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 12:50 am 
 

VermilionFire wrote:That's really nice work, a distinctive style with an old skool flair.  
Are you interested in selling any of your old work?


I can only think of one original I have with the Morno signature, an ink and watercolor piece of Frodo at the Grey Havens.  Most of the older originals I have are from a few years later, between 1983 and 1987 or so, when I think my work had come a long way, but it's more straight up medieval than D&D, and so isn't likely to be of as much interest here.

Edit:  on the other hand, I've already discovered I had some things I thought were lost, so till I unpack the spare room I guess I won't really be sure :).


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Post Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 3:43 am 
 

You did that quality of work in your teens?

What are you creating now?


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Post Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 7:14 am 
 

MShipley88 wrote:You did that quality of work in your teens?

What are you creating now?


Mostly this:  http://shop.webomator.com/


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Post Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 10:01 am 
 

hi brad!

Just wanted to say how much I love your site. It is very slick and cool looking. How do you create your new work? Is it all digital?


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Post Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 10:59 am 
 

scribe wrote:hi brad!

Just wanted to say how much I love your site. It is very slick and cool looking. How do you create your new work? Is it all digital?


Almost all; some of the Celtic knotwork designs get their start on paper, but otherwise it's pretty much digital from start to finish.


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Post Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 7:48 pm 
 

I really like your website.

For me, the Morno style epitomized Arduin and the feel of many of the second party gaming publications of the era.

I never suspected that it was the work of someone my own age.

One thing that impresses me is the generally realistic portrayal of weapons and armor.  For instance in the drawing above, titled Into the Place of Mystery, the two figures are carrying weapons that could have been wielded by real medieval characters.

So many of the artists out there never seem to have seen a real weapon or suit of armor...and seem to have no idea how these weapons were used, carried or held.  (See my complaints about A Paladin In Hell, carrying his shield upside down.)

How did you acquire this level of knowledge about the details of weapons and armor when you were a teenager?

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Post Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 12:12 am 
 

Formerly Known As Morno wrote:
I can only think of one original I have with the Morno signature, an ink and watercolor piece of Frodo at the Grey Havens.  Most of the older originals I have are from a few years later, between 1983 and 1987 or so, when I think my work had come a long way, but it's more straight up medieval than D&D, and so isn't likely to be of as much interest here.

Edit:  on the other hand, I've already discovered I had some things I thought were lost, so till I unpack the spare room I guess I won't really be sure :).


Just do us a favor and make some of this stuff available outside of GenCon....where more than 5% of us can take a stab at owning one with a bid!  :lol:

And yes, I am interested in anything Morno so count me as interested in the later work as well.


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Post Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 12:57 pm 
 

MShipley88 wrote:One thing that impresses me is the generally realistic portrayal of weapons and armor.  For instance in the drawing above, titled Into the Place of Mystery, the two figures are carrying weapons that could have been wielded by real medieval characters.

So many of the artists out there never seem to have seen a real weapon or suit of armor...and seem to have no idea how these weapons were used, carried or held.  (See my complaints about A Paladin In Hell, carrying his shield upside down.)

How did you acquire this level of knowledge about the details of weapons and armor when you were a teenager?


There are an awful lot of people making fantasy art who have only ever looked at other fantasy art, so their ideas about what things should look like are pretty skewed.  The same's true of writers, who in many cases have never even considered how people actually lived in a medieval or ancient society and apparently don't even wonder about it; and in movies, where you frequently see people using shields only as a sort of counterweight for their roundhouse swipes with a sword.

There's no real secret to it - Id been interested in history and mythology for at least as long as I'd been interested in fantasy, and it was only natural to base the fantasy on things that actually had worked for people who lived in a similar way.  There's a reason all good boats look the way they do, and for the same reason, edged weapons look a certain way.  These are objects whose designs were honed (you should forgive the expression) over thousands of years of actual use.

You don't find historical swords with giant spikes sticking out of them, and it's not rocket science to figure out why.  You just have to give a damn.

In my early teens I'd been especialy impressed with Seamus Cullen's book "Armor" - its illustrations are terrific.  And if you'd started talking about King Arthur I'd have assumed you were talking about late Roman Britain.  Tolkien based his work on his knowledge of actual people's lives and beliefs, even though he took all of that knowledge into uncharted territory, and the art ought to do the same thing.

In that vein Alan Lee, who is a demigod, and John Howe are a gigantic leap past those Hildebrandt Brothers calendars we all had back in the day.


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Post Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 12:59 pm 
 

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Just do us a favor and make some of this stuff available outside of GenCon....where more than 5% of us can take a stab at owning one with a bid!  :lol:

And yes, I am interested in anything Morno so count me as interested in the later work as well.


Well, if I can figure out what to do about that, I'll see what I can manage :).  It's just that those drawings and painting from the 80's don't have the Morno signature, since I stopped using it around the end of '78.  I do have the one I mentioned above that is a "Morno" piece, and I'll see if there are others.


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Post Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 2:35 pm 
 

So, did you, like, kill Morno?  Can you never revive Morno again?  Seriously...not being sarcastic...if you did not sign something in 1978 does that mean that Morno did not draw it?  

If I had a D'Vinci painting I wouldn't care that the artist only signed it 30 years after he painted it.  That, in fact, would be a part of the provenance and cool backstory of the artwork.

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