mbassoc2003 wrote in Compiling a list of 1970s scenarios:I haven't updated that site since about 2006.
It's on my to-do list, and I gather info as I go along, but it's not a high priority now I have a kid.

That's a great site, and after checking through I found one extra thing which isn't on my list and might be relevant - Castles and Kingdoms by Bob Liddil
I can find out that Bob played T&T but this "generic", and it is described as "Kingdoms of the Triad campaign setting".
Anyone own this and can shed any light on the product?

Well i checked my inventory and found some entries for your research:
* all the Arduin Dungeon (1, 2, 3)
* "The Solo Dungeon" 1978
* "Kandroc Keep" 1979
* "You bet your life" 1979
* "The Lost Abbey of Calthonwey" 1979
* "The Mines of Keridav" 1979
* any adventure in the early issues of the following fanzines: Demonsblood, News from Bree, Troll Crusher, The Beholder

I assume that non-D&D are not in scope like:
* the early Runequest modules (Balastor Barracks, Apple Lane and also the JG Hellpits of Nightfang)
* the early T&T modules (A Computer Generated Dungeon, Buffalo Castle, Naked Doom)
* the early High Fantasy modules (Fortress Ellendar)
* any Ysgarth module

I've got your Castles and Kingdoms and will send images.

There was also Dimensions and Doors before it. The one I have is the first edition version which I believe was specified for T&T and then there was a second edition that changed from T&T to something like "any frpg". I will send images of mine but you may instead need to find the second edition.

Dimensions and Doors (2nd edition) | RPG Item | RPGGeek

I also have Demons and Notmen which was the third and I believe last in the series. It should be 1979 but I will double-check, and, if so, will send pictures.

Note these are all like "world settings" (descriptions of the world, some inhabitant types, etc.). I don't believe there is any kind of scenario or similar; its just like raw material to build your own campaign.

VivaVelez wrote in Compiling a list of 1970s scenarios:I've got your Castles and Kingdoms and will send images.

There was also Dimensions and Doors before it. The one I have is the first edition version which I believe was specified for T&T and then there was a second edition that changed from T&T to something like "any frpg". I will send images of mine but you may instead need to find the second edition.

Dimensions and Doors (2nd edition) | RPG Item | RPGGeek

I also have Demons and Notmen which was the third and I believe last in the series. It should be 1979 but I will double-check, and, if so, will send pictures.

Note these are all like "world settings" (descriptions of the world, some inhabitant types, etc.). I don't believe there is any kind of scenario or similar; its just like raw material to build your own campaign.

Thanks. I've seen that there was more than one version of Dimensions and Doors. It will be interesting to see these, but it sounds as though they may fall out of scope of the core list I'm compiling.

JoeNuttall wrote in Compiling a list of 1970s scenarios:the period up to the start of 1980 most innovations have appeared

A good choice. AD&D becomes its own game (as opposed to an expansion of D&D) with the publication of the DMG in August '79, the Egbert disappearance brings the game into the public eye, & it becomes very popular that fall. I'm not sure when exactly the D10 or proper D20 first appears, but it is around this time.

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Even with the scope set as it is, I doubt anyone owns *everything* in the list - though there a couple of people who might!

I've had a couple more photos come in, so here's the updated wanted list (I need a photo/scan of a map and some of the key):

Rahasia by Laura Hickman (Daystar West Media version) - I've got images of a lot of it but none of the key
Quest for the Fazzlewood - I've got images of a lot of it but none of the key
The Apprentice #6 - The Volcanic Vaults of Vahrnok?
Spectre #1 - The Temple of Manitoba
Spectre #2 - The House of Thievery
Spectre #2 - The Appleland Groves Part 1 (The Dreaming Caverns)
Kandroc Keep by Brian Asbury

dbartman wrote in Compiling a list of 1970s scenarios:I don't think it was reprinted.

Does O1 count?

sauromatian wrote in Compiling a list of 1970s scenarios:
Does O1 count?

Not in the original context of Fazzlewood being reprinted.  O1 wasn't technically a reprint, but a new printing with significant changes.

aia wrote in Compiling a list of 1970s scenarios:I second this opinion: be aware that if you open to any "supplement", i.e. any printed product not necessarly an adventure, your landscape gets wider and wider... I think to all the small print items like infernax and similar which are very difficult to reach!

Fortunately most of the small print items are 1980 or later, so I've managed to locate the required images for all the many small print adventures that I've found a reference to. Fanzines and Tournament adventures are more problematic, but the hardest ones are where dungeons are hidden inside other publications - such as magazines not about D&D, or sample adventures in D&D clone rulebooks. Consequently I'm sure I'll have missed some, but hopefully not many.

dbartman wrote in Compiling a list of 1970s scenarios:Not in the original context of Fazzlewood being reprinted.  O1 wasn't technically a reprint, but a new printing with significant changes.

Since I've now got a reasonable number of images of Quest for the Fazzlewood I can compare it to the republished O1 The Gem and the Staff (I can't see anywhere on the net where this has been done so it may be of interest):

O1 is split into two separate adventures - Tormaq's Tower, and The Staff of Fazzlewood. Only the second comes from Fazzlewood.

Maps wise it is almost identical (almost traced), just room H is missing.

The illustrations for the player are redrawn almost identically as Players Maps A:12, B:13, C:14, D1:-, D2:15, E:16, F:17, G:-, J:19 (no map H or I). D1 is missing as it is not needed as it just the bottom half of the corridor D2, likewise G is missing but is a short uninteresting corridor. There is one new image - 18 is actually a new image for room I which was oddly missing from the original.

The scoring is completely different. In particular in Fazzlewood you can get negative points, but not in O1 - obviously by the early 80s players had turned into snowflakes!

Fazzlewood has a desiggners introduction (not in O1) and also at the end of half-an-hour Felspell materialises and ends the adventure.

In the intro you change from "Athelfrogg the Agile, a freelance Master Pilferer with a modest reputation for bold and clever thievery" into the far blander "You are known as Eric the Bold, a clever and resourceful fellow who has made his way in the world for many years as an up-and-coming professional thief.". Fazzlewood has a great introduction where you're stuck in a dungeon "musing upon your unkind fate", but this is expunged in O1 (though oddly a version of it reappears as an alternative intro for those who have run scenario A). Fazzlewood here is far better.

I only have the key for room J/room 9, and it is very different.

In O1 the room has full standard 1980s boxed text, whereas in Fazzlewood it says simply:

Read: "You enter a room as pictured in Map J."

In O1 "The carpet appears to have magic runes of some kind hidden in the weave, but is in fact a plain carpet" whereas in Fazzlewood:

2. FLYING CARPET: rests on the wall without fastening. Pictured on the ..???..
with 4 runic symbols. It functions only by commanding the ...???...
inside by name

In O1 it is the broom which becomes magical (a flying broom). The changes don't appear to materially affect the adventure, but some are still quite significant. In O1 "The cabinet contains a variety of items used in magic research" whereas in Fazzlewood:

3. CABINET: this wooden cabinet is locked. If picked or broken open, ...???...
shelves inside. On the top shelf are 6 vials of blood, from left to ...???...
Medusa*, human, Troll, Werewolf*, and basilisk*. (* indicates poision ...???...
if material is consumed, e.g. medusa blood turns to stone, dragon blood ...???...
On second shelf are 10 jars of materials: arsenic*, Belladonna*, ...???...
Opium*, Mistletoe, mushroom*, nightshade*, opium, wolfsbane, black lotus*.
On the third shelf are 6 jars of powdered materials: bat wing, unicorn ...???...
newt eyes, lion's heart, hippogriff feathers, and dragon scale.
On the bottom shelf are 3 empty ??? a ??? and a caldron.

So I know which version of the adventure I'd prefer to play (and I think all of you), and it's the one (almost) nobody has a copy of.

For my purposes that's sufficient info to trace the history of the development of scenarios. I wish that the original versions of these tournament adventures were all published, like Tomb of Horrors was - this should not affect the price of super-rare collectibles.