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Post Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 2:56 pm 
 

I likes me some Gene Wolf  - Book of The New Sun:
Shadow of The Torturer
Claw of The Conciliator
Sword of the Lictor
Citadel of the Autarch
Book of The New Earth

Lets not forget his Book of the Long Sun either (can't remember the titles of this series off hand.)


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Post Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 3:07 pm 
 

I have to travel to Charlotte, NC for my job this week - I'll be there Sunday through Friday.  This will actually give me quite a bit of free time to read . . . so I stopped by the local used book store and finally picked up some H.P. Lovecraft . . .   I've yet to ever actually read any Lovecraft, so I'm looking forward to it.

It's a "Best Of" book, but it seems to have most of the titles I've heard of before:

Call of Cthulhu
Whisperer in Darkness
Dunwich Horror
Thing on the Doorstep
Shadow Over Inssmouth
Haunter of the Dark

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Post Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 3:14 pm 
 

Beyondthebreach wrote:
Now don't get me wrong - I love Hyperion & Fall of Hyperion.  They are probably the two best books I have EVER read.  Absolutely brilliant.

However, I am not sure I would say they could be easily translated to D&D . . .  Do you just mean the general theme of a pilgramage?  I've thought about the Cruciform before as something that could be easily incorporated . . . but everything else is either hard Science Fiction and/or deeply developed character plotlines.  Plus, a strong tribute to John Keats . . .


Yes, I meant the general theme of the pilgrimage, magical (instead of quantum) transporters, something akin to the Shrike, and tombs moving backward through time.

You're right: Many other elements of those novels are far too involved for a D&D campaign.

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Post Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 3:20 pm 
 

Beyondthebreach wrote:Call of Cthulhu
Whisperer in Darkness
Dunwich Horror
Thing on the Doorstep
Shadow Over Inssmouth
Haunter of the Dark

You're in for a treat with most of those. Good ol' H.P. ... he was one creepy dude.  :)

The ironic part is that youi'll probably feel right at home, having bought/sold/traded/ or heard of gaming items with those titles over the years.

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Post Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 3:23 pm 
 

Beyondthebreach wrote:It's a "Best Of" book, but it seems to have most of the titles I've heard of before:

Call of Cthulhu
Whisperer in Darkness
Dunwich Horror
Thing on the Doorstep
Shadow Over Inssmouth
Haunter of the Dark

etc. etc.


My advice regarding Lovecraft is to read his stuff slowly.  His prose is dense.  It's not "beach reading".  

Character development was not Lovecraft's strong suit, but his mythology, for me, greatly outweighs any drawbacks in characterization.

Those stories are a great place to start.  Do you happen to know which "best of" anthology it is (i.e., who's the editor?).

If you like those, I strongly encourage you get the Arkham House anthologies edited by S.T. Joshi and read those.  It's a four volume set, and, IMHO, contain the stories in the order in which they should be read.

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Post Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 3:26 pm 
 

Anyone read the military scifi stuff from authors like John Ringo and David Weber?  Not the deepest reads by any stretch but fun, action filled reading nevertheless :D


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Post Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 3:36 pm 
 

Keith the Thief wrote:.

Those stories are a great place to start.  Do you happen to know which "best of" anthology it is (i.e., who's the editor?).


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Post Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 3:47 pm 
 

Beyondthebreach wrote:
"Bloodcurdling Tales of Horror and the Macabre" with an introduction by Robert Bloch.


That's part of the Del Rey series of Lovecraft books, and works well as a starting point.

Of all the non-Arkham House publishers, I prefer the newer Penguin series, but it's not like the stories are any different among the various editions, just the order and supplementary material from the editors.

I'm a little envious.  I would love to be just now starting on Lovecraft.


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Post Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 4:21 pm 
 

Keith the Thief wrote:
I'm a little envious.  I would love to be just now starting on Lovecraft.


I've been putting it off for many years now . . . I always knew that I'd be able to someday read them for the first time.  There's a few others that I've got set aside for first time reads . . . when the time is right.

Recently, a friend of mine got me all the Robert E. Howard Conan stories - I've read about half of them.  They are really fantastic.  I still have several more to go . . . I kind of spread them out so they aren't all done at once.


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Post Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 7:16 pm 
 

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Recently, a friend of mine got me all the Robert E. Howard Conan stories - I've read about half of them.  They are really fantastic.  I still have several more to go . . . I kind of spread them out so they aren't all done at once.


Interesting you should mention that, because I was thinking about this thread earlier, and about all the various authors mentioned here, and how I'd never read any REH.  That might well be worth checking out.

I do remember reading a number of Fritz Leiber's "Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser" books back in the day.  Those were very enjoyable.


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Post Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 10:31 pm 
 

Keith the Thief wrote:
Interesting you should mention that, because I was thinking about this thread earlier, and about all the various authors mentioned here, and how I'd never read any REH.  That might well be worth checking out.

I do remember reading a number of Fritz Leiber's "Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser" books back in the day.  Those were very enjoyable.


Luckily the new Del Rey REH collections are pretty definitive.  Man, I REALLY envy those that haven't read any Conan/REH yet!!!
 Don't forget the Solomon Kane collection...IMO that's some of his best stuff.  Wings in the Night is my all time favorite REH story, and one of my top ten fantasy stories EVER.

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Post Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 10:39 pm 
 

Beyondthebreach wrote:I have to travel to Charlotte, NC for my job this week - I'll be there Sunday through Friday.  This will actually give me quite a bit of free time to read . . . so I stopped by the local used book store and finally picked up some H.P. Lovecraft . . .   I've yet to ever actually read any Lovecraft, so I'm looking forward to it.

It's a "Best Of" book, but it seems to have most of the titles I've heard of before:

Call of Cthulhu
Whisperer in Darkness
Dunwich Horror
Thing on the Doorstep
Shadow Over Inssmouth
Haunter of the Dark

etc. etc.


That collection is pretty definitive, you should get enough there to know whether or not to try to find some of his more obscure works.  I don't believe Mountains of Madness is in there; Horror at Red Hook, The Festival, and The Temple are three more that aren't in that collection but worth hunting down.  Maybe some day you'll get like me....having read all the Lovecraft stories dozens of times each, I spend my time seeking out the best pastiches from other horror authors.  Some of these are pretty awful (aka Derleth and most of Lumley) but there are a few gems there also.  TED Klein's "Black Man With a Horn" and Brian McNaughton's "Throne of Bones" are two exceptions.  

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Post Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 11:06 pm 
 

I have been working my way through some of the Chaosium collections of Lovecraft based work, some are good and others are...just ok.

Robert M. Price is the series editor and writes the intros for the stories. He was the editor of Crypt of Cthulhu publication for 17 years and is a professor of theology so he brings an interesting perspective to the overall mythos.

In my opinion some of the better books from that series are:
Tales Out of Innsmouth
The Disciples of Cthulhu
The Dunwich Cycle
The Nyarlathotep Cycle
The Necronomicon: Selected Stories and Essays

I am not sure if they are all still in print, but they do come up quite often on eBay.

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Denied to the Enemy
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Rules of Engagement

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Post Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 11:24 pm 
 

jasonw1239 wrote:I have been working my way through some of the Chaosium collections of Lovecraft based work, some are good and others are...just ok.

Robert M. Price is the series editor and writes the intros for the stories. He was the editor of Crypt of Cthulhu publication for 17 years and is a professor of theology so he brings an interesting perspective to the overall mythos.

In my opinion some of the better books from that series are:
Tales Out of Innsmouth
The Disciples of Cthulhu
The Dunwich Cycle
The Nyarlathotep Cycle
The Necronomicon: Selected Stories and Essays

I am not sure if they are all still in print, but they do come up quite often on eBay.

The Pagan Publishing fiction is also quite good and still in print.
Denied to the Enemy
Dark Theatres
Rules of Engagement

They can still be ordered through the Pagan Publishing site
Tynes Cowan Corporation

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The Innsmouth collection is probably the best.  Disciples of Cthulhu is based on a 70's collection and is uniformly excellent.  As far as I know, Ramsey Campbell's "The Tugging" is the only Mythos story ever nominated for a major award (the Nebula award, I believe).  Brian McNaughton's collection "Throne of Bones" won the World Fantasy Award, but it's really less a Lovecraft pastiche and more a Clark Ashton Smith/Lovecraft/REH/Weird Tales pastiche...
 Personally thought the Necronomicon collection was a waste of time...too many quasi-serious and boring "essays" that are based on a fictional work and ultimately useless.  
 Also, modern master Stephen King has dabbled in the Cthulhu Mythos, sometimes successfully. "Jeruselum's Lot" is a very passable Mythos tale with nods of the head to stories such as "Rats in the Walls" and others.  Didn't much care for "Crouch End" or some of the others....
  Oh, almost forgot, Karl Edward Wagner wrote one of the most incredible Lovecraft/Mythos homages ever, "River of Night's Dreaming". Absolutely stunning piece of fiction!

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Post Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 12:52 am 
 

For those of you like myself that have read everything Lovecraft and his colleagues wrote, and am looking for something novel-length that reads like his work, then may I suggest picking up a copy of N.C. Henneberg's The Green Gods. This book, which was translated from the original French by the editors at DAW books in the seventies, reads like a cross between Lovecraft, Clark Ashton Smith (CAS), and Abraham Merritt. I picked this up at a used bookstore a few years back, and was absolutely blown away by the inventive storyline, the gorgeous writing, and haunting atmosphere it possesses in spades. As for the theme and style of the novel, it most resembles Lovecraft's Dream Quest of Unknown Kadath and CAS's Garden of Adompha.  Makes me wonder what other French science fiction/fantasy gems are out there awaiting an English translation.


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Post Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 8:30 am 
 

Badmike wrote:  Personally thought the Necronomicon collection was a waste of time...too many quasi-serious and boring "essays" that are based on a fictional work and ultimately useless.  

Mike B.


The Necronomicon book, while having some sections that are somewhat...dry also has a couple of the best "mood" short stories that I have encountered in the Chaosium series.
I thought that the Manly Wade Wellman story "The Terrible Parchment" provided some useful atmospheric twists and the "Settler's Wall" story by Robert A. W. Lowndes made great use of the principals of a Mobius loop in a physical setting that meshed well with the Lovecraftian themes of strange angles and geometries.

Some of the Lin Carter and L. Sprague de Camp sections could probably have been skipped (I have always found their treatment of other authors work consistently inconsistent  :P )
The Robert M. Price essay "A Critical Commentary on the Necronomicon" in the back of the book is a bit long but does cover how so called 'forbidden books' have been treated throughout history and how the writings of various religions and cults tend to be conveniently modified/edited/retranslated for their immediate purposes over time.


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Post Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 9:09 am 
 

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That collection is pretty definitive, you should get enough there to know whether or not to try to find some of his more obscure works.  I don't believe Mountains of Madness is in there

Mike B.


"At the Mountains of Madness" is a must.

I also agree about Derleth and Lumley.

I can tolerate some of Derleth's material, but I found Lumley absolutely awful.


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Post Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 9:11 am 
 

Munafik wrote:For those of you like myself that have read everything Lovecraft and his colleagues wrote, and am looking for something novel-length that reads like his work, then may I suggest picking up a copy of N.C. Henneberg's The Green Gods.


Munafik,

Green Gods sounds like it'd be right down my alley.  I'll definitely have to hunt down a copy of that.

Thanks for the suggestion,
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Post Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 9:15 am 
 

jasonw1239 wrote:
The Necronomicon book, while having some sections that are somewhat...dry also has a couple of the best "mood" short stories that I have encountered in the Chaosium series.
I thought that the Manly Wade Wellman story "The Terrible Parchment" provided some useful atmospheric twists and the "Settler's Wall" story by Robert A. W. Lowndes made great use of the principals of a Mobius loop in a physical setting that meshed well with the Lovecraftian themes of strange angles and geometries.

Some of the Lin Carter and L. Sprague de Camp sections could probably have been skipped (I have always found their treatment of other authors work consistently inconsistent  :P )
The Robert M. Price essay "A Critical Commentary on the Necronomicon" in the back of the book is a bit long but does cover how so called 'forbidden books' have been treated throughout history and how the writings of various religions and cults tend to be conveniently modified/edited/retranslated for their immediate purposes over time.


I just thought most of the other collections were so much better...I like more "fiction" in my fiction reading  :wink:   I guess useless was harsh....but there are plenty of the other Chaosium collections I'd pick up to re-read before this one.
 Also for the REH Chaosium collection Nameless Cults, includes all his Lovecraft pastiches (The Black Stone seems to be a direct imitation of HP's style, but a success nonetheless).

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Post Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 9:17 am 
 

Keith the Thief wrote:
"At the Mountains of Madness" is a must.

I also agree about Derleth and Lumley.

I can tolerate some of Derleth's material, but I found Lumley absolutely awful.


Lumley is actually quite a bit better when he's NOT abusing Lovecraft's themes and creations. Unfortunately, he doesn't stray from the cash cow very often....

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