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Post Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 11:00 am 
 

my fave books are and always will be:

"Saga of Lost Earths" - Emil Petaja

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"Glory Road" - Robert Heinlein

i have originals of both from the 60's and the stories still rock! i must have read them both at least 200 times by now. they are reasonably thin books too, so you can get through them in one go....well i do anyway :)

imo its storytelling at its best, which fires your imagination to its fullest....great stuff! :)



  


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Post Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 7:55 pm 
 

Anything by Allen Steele.

His "Coyote" deep space series is as "Heinlein" as those books by The Master.


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Post Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 12:00 am 
 

All right - LOTR is assumed

I'll put in Silmarillion and (I expect) the to be released tomorrow Children of Hurin by Tolkien. Amazing how much this guy has written since he died in 1973...  8O

Next would be George R.R. Martin's "Ice and Fire" series - great stuff but I have to agree that he is a little too eager to drop the hammer on characters that I like... but overall its very well written...

...UNLIKE Robert Jordan and his abyssmal "Wheel of Time" - yes, it is a pretty good overall story, but Jordan is a caaaraaaaappppy storyteller. He DESPERATELY needs an editor to trim about 1/3 to 1/2 of the useless drivel that he randomly spews out of his wordprocessor to make them readable. I find myself skimming whole chapters in a desparate (and, usually, vain) effort to get anywhere near a point... Didn't like his Conan books either.

Robert Adams' "Horseclans" series is excellent, though the plots tend towards predictability.

H.P. Lovecraft also wrote some great stuff.

Of course, Robert E. Howard (any of his books), Michael Moorcock (Elric), Gygax's "Gord the Rogue", the first two Dragonlance series (not the garbage that came out afterwards), all good stuff.

  

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Post Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 12:48 am 
 

Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series:  Tedious and illogical.  Pap.  Drivel.

Robert Jordan's Horseclans novels:  Stop after the fourth book.

The Gor novels:  How to make sex boring in only 40 books.  Stop after book five.


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Post Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 1:19 am 
 

Charles G. wrote:I'll put in Silmarillion and (I expect) the to be released tomorrow Children of Hurin by Tolkien. Amazing how much this guy has written since he died in 1973...  8O


I've still never read the Silmarillion (or any of the latter Christopher edited stuff) - like the sound of this though so I'm now on the lookout for a charity shop Silmarillion!


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Post Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 8:04 am 
 

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I've still never read the Silmarillion (or any of the latter Christopher edited stuff) - like the sound of this though so I'm now on the lookout for a charity shop Silmarillion!


If you can get past the first chapter of the Silmarillion it is actually a good read.
It's just that the first chapter reminds me so much of the book of genesis in the bible with all the "begats".
I know that Tolkien had to use that technique to show how old his world was, and to establish lineage but there is only so much of that you can expect a reader to wade through.  :wink:


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Post Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 9:10 am 
 

FormCritic wrote:Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series:  Tedious and illogical.  Pap.  Drivel.

Robert Jordan's Horseclans novels:  Stop after the fourth book.

The Gor novels:  How to make sex boring in only 40 books.  Stop after book five.


These made me laugh...how true. However it's Robert Adams, not Robert Jordan as the author of the Horseclans

Gor author John Norman didn't need 40 books to make bondage/sex boring...he managed to accomplish it way before that threshold.  I picked up one of the later novels out of curiousity...."tedious" is the watchword, couldn't make it past a few chapters.

Burrough's Tarzan and John Carter of Mars series suffered from repetition....you should be ok after 5-6 books into either series, no need to go on.

AS great as it was, I thought Glen Cook's The Black Company series started falling apart the next to the last novel (number 9 or 10?)  It just went on way too long also.

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Post Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 9:18 am 
 

Charles G. wrote:Next would be George R.R. Martin's "Ice and Fire" series - great stuff but I have to agree that he is a little too eager to drop the hammer on characters that I like... but overall its very well written...


Some of the best stuff I've read in a long time....then he jumps the shark in the last novel by A. Waiting years between releases so you either have forgotten all the characters or have to re-read the entire last book/series; B. Spends an entire bible-sized installment on all the periphery/uninteresting characters and completely ignores all his most popular characters; C. Declares his next book will focus on all his most popular characters...but during the same time period as the last novel, which doesn't advance the storyline at all; D. Decides to wait another few years before releasing even that installment; E. Estimates at his present glacial pace of writing he might finish the entire series in 2012 or thereabouts.  8O
   You know George, take your time. I'll check in again around 2012 to see if you ever finished that monster.

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Post Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 11:49 am 
 

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Post Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 6:39 pm 
 

My favorite fantasy novel of all time is Sax Rohmer's Brood of the Witch Queen, with Abraham Merritt's The Moon Pool a close second. The former revolves around the resurrection of an ancient Egyptian queen and the latter around the discovery of a lost colony of Atlantis situated beneath the real-life island of Ponape. Both are brimming with prismatic prose, inventive plots, and exotic locales. However, for those who are interested, these are _not_ sword and sorcery fantasies ala those of R.E. Howard and C.L. Moore, but, rather,  are lost race romances similar to those penned by H. Rider Haggard and Edgar Rice Burroughs. N.B. The Rohmer novel is a bit hard to find, being as it was last printed, to the best of my knowledge, in the early twenties. The Moon Pool is more readily available, being is it has been in print, more or less, since its original date of publication in the early teens of the previous century.


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Post Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 6:42 pm 
 

I love the Robert Asprin novels about Aahz and Skeeve.  Funny and vivid.


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Post Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 6:51 pm 
 

bombadil wrote:I love the Robert Asprin novels about Aahz and Skeeve.  Funny and vivid.


Ahh the 'Myth' series. Anyone who can stretch what is basically a 1 joke book as far as Asprin does deserves my vote - essential reading, but leave your brain at the door!!


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Post Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 6:55 pm 
 

gyg wrote: essential reading, but leave your brain at the door!!


Perfect for me.  I left my brain at the door several years ago and haven't been able to find it since...


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Post Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 6:55 pm 
 

Did anyone else notice that this thread got a 26-month bump ... and we picked up talking about the subject again like it was just a pause for lunch?  :)

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Post Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 7:03 pm 
 

Well, I did eat in the meantime.


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Post Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 7:57 pm 
 

...plus time for a nice cup of tea.


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Post Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 10:30 pm 
 

Munafik wrote:My favorite fantasy novel of all time is Sax Rohmer's Brood of the Witch Queen, with Abraham Merritt's The Moon Pool a close second. The former revolves around the resurrection of an ancient Egyptian queen and the latter around the discovery of a lost colony of Atlantis situated beneath the real-life island of Ponape. Both are brimming with prismatic prose, inventive plots, and exotic locales. However, for those who are interested, these are _not_ sword and sorcery fantasies ala those of R.E. Howard and C.L. Moore, but, rather,  are lost race romances similar to those penned by H. Rider Haggard and Edgar Rice Burroughs. N.B. The Rohmer novel is a bit hard to find, being as it was last printed, to the best of my knowledge, in the early twenties. The Moon Pool is more readily available, being is it has been in print, more or less, since its original date of publication in the early teens of the previous century.


Pyramid reprinted most of the Rohmer books in the 60s/70s, including Brood and all the Fu Manchu novels...they pop up on ebay periodically.  I'm kind of a closet Rohmer fan myself, he can be racist as all get-out, but he was writing in the early part of the 20th century.  And after all he DID make Fu Manchu, his chinese villain, pretty much a genius level baddie with a sense of honor.  I've got all the Merritt books; they are listed in Appendix N in the back of the original DMG as inspiration for D&D.  They can be very "flowery" in their prose, but are quite good.  The Moon Pool is the only one I've ever made it through, but he wrote a lot of other classics including The Metal Monster, Dwellers in the Mirage, and Seven Footprints to Satan.

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Post Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 1:39 am 
 

I am an avid reader of Sci Fi though have not read much fantasy of late. I gave up reading Jordan's wheel of time, my comments are summed up on another forum. I am user jmilsom:

Read my Jordan critique here

Actually, I spent ten year living in Myanmar (Burma) and rediscovered my RPG hobby and the Acaeum during a trip back to Australia in 2000 or 2001 (can't remember the exact date). When we first got a satelite uplink in that country the first site I discovered was SDC and I joined the forums there. For a few years I have run a thread on views on recently read SciFi books. Thread Here. It is now 18 pages long with over 114,000 views - amazing. I have been writing thoughts down on Sci Fi books as I read them. I am a big P.K.Dick fan.

Back to fantasy, a more recent Fantasy series I read is J.V.Jones. I quite enjoyed it after Jordan's torture, as the hero quickly comes to terms with his fate and undertakes a practical course of action.

Favourites: Hmmm. I love Tolkien of course. Jack Vance is a great writer though more often in the SciFi realm. Moorcock's Dancers at the End of Time are fun. I'll have to think about it some more.

  

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Post Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 8:20 pm 
 

I prefer contemporary fantasies, so my favorite authors are:

Harlan Ellison
Ray Bradybury
Neil Gaiman
Dan Simmons
H.P. Lovecraft
Joyce Carol Oates
Kurt Vonnegut (God rest his soul)
Stephen King
Madeleine L'Engle

My favorite science fiction authors include:
Dan Simmons
Robert J. Sawyer
Connie Willis
Isaac Asimov


Simmons' Hyperion Cantos (Hyperion & Fall of Hyperion) could be easily translated into a D&D adventure.

Overall, I have trouble enjoying "sword & sorcery" fantasy.  Other than LOTR, which is a literary masterpiece, I find the bulk of this genre to be very disappointing.

I did enjoy the first 3 Shannarra books when I was in high school ... and I have fond memories of the first few Burroughs' Mars novels ... but those are sentimental favorites.

I do understand that George R.R. Martin's series is quite good, but I haven't had the chance to read them yet.

And don't forget Terry Pratchett's books ... they are a riot, and well worth reading.


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Post Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 12:08 pm 
 

Keith the Thief wrote:
Simmons' Hyperion Cantos (Hyperion & Fall of Hyperion) could be easily translated into a D&D adventure.



Now don't get me wrong - I love Hyperion & Fall of Hyperion.  They are probably the two best books I have EVER read.  Absolutely brilliant.

However, I am not sure I would say they could be easily translated to D&D . . .  Do you just mean the general theme of a pilgramage?  I've thought about the Cruciform before as something that could be easily incorporated . . . but everything else is either hard Science Fiction and/or deeply developed character plotlines.  Plus, a strong tribute to John Keats . . .


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