Bunnies & Burrows (Watership Down?)
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Post Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 5:08 am 
 

There is a copy of Bunnies & Burrows up for auction:

cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem& ... RK:MEWA:IT

Does anyone have any thoughts as to its value?  Also, has anyone ever read the rules - or actually played the game?

I'd kinda forgotten that it existed, but I am very curious about it - Watership Down has always been one of my favorite books and I wondered if it was the inspiration for this game? (I can't believe that it wouldn't be).

I even liked the old animated Watership Down cartoon - I should look for a copy of it, it's been many years since I've seen it.


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Post Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 10:22 am 
 

There's a review of it in J. Eric Holmes 1981 book, "Fantasy RPGs", which I read recently.

B&B is definitely a merger of Watership Down and D&D.

Holmes said the game placed heavy emphasis on role-playing the rabbit characters, so he thought it would either be very good, or very bad (boring) depending on who was playing.

It also mentioned there was a martial art system called - no joke - "Bun Foo"

I'd like a copy of it, but its seems to fetch high prices.

The Watership Down cartoon is definitely a classic movie. Like the best kid's movies, it's dark and disturbing in parts.

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Post Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 11:05 am 
 

zhowar1 wrote:There's a review of it in J. Eric Holmes 1981 book, "Fantasy RPGs", which I read recently.

B&B is definitely a merger of Watership Down and D&D.

Holmes said the game placed heavy emphasis on role-playing the rabbit characters, so he thought it would either be very good, or very bad (boring) depending on who was playing.

It also mentioned there was a martial art system called - no joke - "Bun Foo"

I'd like a copy of it, but its seems to fetch high prices.

The Watership Down cartoon is definitely a classic movie. Like the best kid's movies, it's dark and disturbing in parts.

This may be just the hook I need to get my wife into D&D..."Look honey, cute little bunnies!  They can even talk...".  (Do not try this same line with a Playboy magazine unless your wife has a sense of humour)

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Post Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 1:15 pm 
 

beyondthebreach wrote:Does anyone have any thoughts as to its value?

The few I've seen for sale on eBay.co.uk have fetched £20-£35.

  

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Post Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 2:13 pm 
 

I picked up a copy a couple of months ago in VGC - $40. Not sure what edition it is - it's FGU but I've seen other versions of the cover.

The rules make interesting reading, but I'm unlikely to ever play it. Not bad value all things considered - I got it because I like the stuff FGU put out, and I liked Watership Down.

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Post Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 2:54 pm 
 

I think it could be a great game to introduce kids to RPGs, especially if they aren't into medieval shenanigans, athough Holmes said the rules exclude female rabbit characters who must stay at home and breed!

But that could easily be changed....Powerpuff rabbit, anyone?

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Post Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 10:08 am 
 

[quote="zhowar1"]I think it could be a great game to introduce kids to RPGs...quote]
I acquired a 2nd Editon B&B and my sister (a novice GM) just found a 1st Ed. We did a quick compare and they seem to be almost identical, except for cover and font of the text. Her 1E is a lot thicker, but again it appears to be the way it was fonted and formatted and not actual content.

She is running her first ever GM campaign using B&B and she is doing so using my children (ages 9 and 12) as her test subjects. (Not as an introduction to RPGs, however, as they already play in my regular D&D campaign.) They seem to be having a lot of fun, but she isn't happy with the way the rules work. I don't know all of the details yet, but she is used to my fast'n'loose brown book D&D style of play and these rules appear to be a lot more clunky. I can ask her for more details if anyone is interested.


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Post Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 1:42 pm 
 

Finarvyn wrote:
zhowar1 wrote:I think it could be a great game to introduce kids to RPGs...quote]
I acquired a 2nd Editon B&B and my sister (a novice GM) just found a 1st Ed. We did a quick compare and they seem to be almost identical, except for cover and font of the text. Her 1E is a lot thicker, but again it appears to be the way it was fonted and formatted and not actual content.

She is running her first ever GM campaign using B&B and she is doing so using my children (ages 9 and 12) as her test subjects. (Not as an introduction to RPGs, however, as they already play in my regular D&D campaign.) They seem to be having a lot of fun, but she isn't happy with the way the rules work. I don't know all of the details yet, but she is used to my fast'n'loose brown book D&D style of play and these rules appear to be a lot more clunky. I can ask her for more details if anyone is interested.


They do indeed appear to be almost identical. The second edition being more compact and well typeset. The first edition having more of a typed manuscript feel about it.

Of course the 1st edition came with the quick reference card so you could play without the manual. I haven't found a second ecition copy with the quick reference stuff in it.


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Post Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 7:40 am 
 

Near mint copy. 1 day to go.....

cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIte ... RK:MESE:IT


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Post Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 2:57 pm 
 

Finarvyn wrote:They seem to be having a lot of fun, but she isn't happy with the way the rules work. I don't know all of the details yet, but she is used to my fast'n'loose brown book D&D style of play and these rules appear to be a lot more clunky. I can ask her for more details if anyone is interested.


I don't know if this will help, but there is a GURPS version of this game. And an excellent conversion it is, I've heard. Written by the wonderful Steffan O'Sullivan, a true B&B lover.


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Post Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 10:50 am 
 

Does anyone have thoughts as to reasonable prices for this item?

I've seen copies of the second edition go for over $100 on Ebay. The GURPS version fetched near $40 not too long ago (that was NM, but still).


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Post Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 11:36 am 
 

A $100 seems rather high to me.  I usually sense that an early version sells for $50 - $60.  My impression is that the GURPS version is actually harder to find than the original.  I've probably watched a dozen original versions and only 2 GURPS ones over the last few years.


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Post Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 11:40 am 
 

The most recent GURPS copy I saw on eBay went for a bit above $30.  

Whether that was representative or not is up for debate though, as most of the seller's items from that lot seemed to go for a bit below what I had seen for some of them before.

  


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Post Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 11:41 am 
 

Calithena wrote:Does anyone have thoughts as to reasonable prices for this item?

I've seen copies of the second edition go for over $100 on Ebay. The GURPS version fetched near $40 not too long ago (that was NM, but still).


Prices seem to be going up unfortunately...I have been tracking this one for a while and decided to get it when bclarkie had a copy up for sale.

Someone tried to snip me and shot the price up.... :(


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