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Post Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2020 8:07 am 
 

Thunderdave wrote in LotFP:Was Eldritch C@k released in a printing other than the Free RPG giveaway?

For example a Kickstarter or contributor printing?



There was a contributor option for a version that included a custom illustration by artist Rosi Kämpe drawn directly into the book.

  

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Post Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2020 6:23 pm 
 

Just watched a Raggi interview in which he states that The Random Esoteric Creature Generator was the first published item.
As I recall, RECG shipped along with FFV. I think they were a sweetener for those who had already early to buy LotFP, but he lists FFV and RECG as 2008 publication and LotFP as 2010.
That time gap seems a fair bit longer than I recall, and based on the numbering of the copies I received, I was in early doors. So maybe the publication dates are wrong on the spreadsheet in Google Docs.

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Incidentally, other than a few layout and typesetting changes, FFV was reprinted as Green Devil Face Issue #1
The Random Esoteric Creature Generator was cleaned up, expanded upon and republished by Goodman Games under the same title.


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Post Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2020 7:21 pm 
 

mbassoc2003 wrote in LotFP:Just watched a Raggi interview in which he states that The Random Esoteric Creature Generator was the first published item.
As I recall, RECG shipped along with FFV. I think they were a sweetener for those who had already early to buy LotFP, but he lists FFV and RECG as 2008 publication and LotFP as 2010.
That time gap seems a fair bit longer than I recall, and based on the numbering of the copies I received, I was in early doors. So maybe the publication dates are wrong on the spreadsheet in Google Docs.


James is right.  The FFV and RECG as 2008 were the first products given to those who signed up for the Insect Shrine of Goblin Hill. (I have the saved emails and I was the first paid order back in 2006)  Course I also posted on here for others to get involved with that module around that time.  Without posting the emails - basically the RECG came out in spring (April) and FFV in November of 2008. Other things were offered at a discount in the next year - with The Grinding Gear being another freebie sent in Nov 2009.  Then came the July 2010 email with this about LotFP Weird Fantasy Role-Playing box set:

These will be going for 50€, shipping included. But you guys have been
waiting and waiting and I did commit to sending you all my releases
until Insect Shrine comes out, but at this point it's getting expensive.
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So here are three options on how to handle this.

A: You'll take a copy of the LotFP Weird Fantasy Role-Playing box set, 1
per copy of Insect Shrine you pre-ordered. Accepting this option will
mean you agree that my commitment to you has been met through this
alternate product.
B: You're still really wanting to wait for Insect Shrine. I intend to
have it out in the fall... Really, this time. Picking this option means
you agree to forego and freebies from now until Insect Shrine comes out.
C: You're sick of all this and just want a refund. I'll refund 12€ per
copy you pre-ordered so you're not even out any Paypal charges on the
deal.

Let me know which option you choose, and if you choose Option A, I need
a current mailing address. These will start mailing out July 26.


I took the box set deal and I believe I posted that the insect shrin actually made it in part or whole in another book eventually. So there you go. Why I kept these emails for so long I don't know - but I've got them for reference.

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Post Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2020 12:36 am 
 

Thanks Shane, very interesting! I was not into lotfp in the early days of Raggi and didnt follow him.
Now, a question is more than legit: what is the insect shrine project? I have never heard about it and it didnt come out...

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Post Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2020 3:59 am 
 

Was insect shrine ever published? Can't seem to track down a photo on Google.
I'm assuming I got these that way too, early buyer for LotFP. And I recall Grinding Gear and Vornheim, but I don't remember Insect Shrine.


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Post Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2020 6:39 am 
 

Insect Shrine of Goblin Hill I think made its way into the Better Than Any Man book, least parts of it.  Never was published on its own thus all the free and discounted items over the 4 years it was taking.

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Post Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2020 6:46 am 
 

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Post Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2020 7:52 am 
 

Well, the guy certainly made a name for himself in the publishing scene for the time he was publishing.


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Post Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2020 11:57 pm 
 

mbassoc2003 wrote in LotFP:Well, the guy certainly made a name for himself in the publishing scene for the time he was publishing.


LotFP was always of high production quality and the content was distinctive. Hitched his wagon to the wrong horse.

  

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Post Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2020 4:16 am 
 

Grug Greyskin wrote in LotFP:Hitched his wagon to the wrong horse.

So what happened?
People will always buy good production quality if they perceive value. Did the buyers move away from the heavy metal horror and the weird gothic noir?
A lot of the independent writers and artists seem to still be involved in independent or small collaborative projects, but I suppose those have smaller print runs and far less revenue is generated.


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Post Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2020 11:01 am 
 

mbassoc2003 wrote in LotFP:So what happened?
People will always buy good production quality if they perceive value. Did the buyers move away from the heavy metal horror and the weird gothic noir?
A lot of the independent writers and artists seem to still be involved in independent or small collaborative projects, but I suppose those have smaller print runs and far less revenue is generated.


He collaborated with a prominent artist who was accused of sexual assault. While he ended the professional relationship, he defended the artist publicly, combine that with the fact that LotFP's products are pretty edgy to begin with (and contain some degree of violence against women in both artwork and writing), and he lost his audience rather quickly.

  

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Post Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2020 11:07 am 
 

Wow. I should go read up. Got any pointers (no link though). I'll try Google to begin with.
The thing is the guy knows how to run a publisher. Knows the difference between a quality product and types of sh!t some some of the publishers put out. So you'd figure he (Raggi) would be eminently employable in the industry. Of course a lot of it is US centric, but these days that shouldn't be a deal breaker.

Lol. No need. I took a blind stab that it was Zak and I got hits.


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Post Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:05 am 
 

New info on FFV....

I must have been sent a PDF release of FFV, because the image above is a screen dump from the PDF I have, and it is not the same as the printing in Green Devil Face #1, which is also single column. But also, if you look at the digest issue of FFV, it has been condensed down to two column printing in order to reduce the page count and printing cost. The only page that is the same between the PDF I have and the hardcopy is the map on page 2 of the hardcopy which appears on page 21 of the PDF.

So FFV has an initial public release (two column and numbered on the back page), a PDF which is different and dated (22nd November 2008), and then a reprint in Green Devil Face.
I haven't had the chance to do a word for word check over the three to see if typos etc. give a clue to publication sequence, but I imagine my PDF sits in the middle between the two as a transition document during the process of reimaging FFV as GDF#1. However, if I can find typos in the PDF that were correct in FFV 1st Issue that that would place the PDF as a Pre-pub document, although that wouldn't tally with the date stamp on the file, which I'm assuming is James' created date, rather than my initial received date.

....

On the ZakS thing. Am I right in understanding ZakS was accused, then the whole US Cancel Culture machine kicked in with companies running to hide just in case people thought they were promoting such things (including RPGDriveThru and LotFP), and then at some point JERIII said, 'Enough is enough, I won't work with him but I'm not going to exclude him on Facebook so long as he behaves and doesn't talk about it." That effectively being the death knell for LotFP because he wouldn't back the Cancel Culture Vultures. Was there ever a case? Was there ever any evidence? Or was this just left wing millennial snowflakes doing what left wing snowflakes do. Acting like ar$eholes. I've dug and I cannot find any evidence that any of this is anything other than mass hysteria and slander (and an admission of guilt and a payment appear to have been made to ZakS for just that.) Anyways, seems LotFP did not understand that when children (under 25s who have not grown up yet) say to hate you must hate or lose your livelihood. He did not understand fascism. I'm sure he does now.

It'll be interesting to see where JERIII resurfaces.


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Post Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 10:48 am 
 

My PDF was sent in an email dated Nov 18th just so you know.

Email message received with that:
'allo!

Most receiving this email are Insect Shrine pre-orderers, but a couple
of you are just People I Want to Send FFV to.

Your FFV hard-copies are already in the mail. Don't open the envelope
from Finland around someone you don't want to see one naughty word. Or
this wmail and attachment, actually. Darn middle F. I didn't invent the
phrase though. So I'm a blameless little angel in this whole thing.
Yeah.

Anyway, here's the PDF version. Enjoy the farce, and maybe enjoy a good
gaming idea or three. :D The next thing will be serious and more usable
out-of-the-box (don't think it'll be Insect Shrine, but that depends on
Ms. Jalo).


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Post Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 12:46 pm 
 

Thanks for that.
Due to the nomadic nature of my job over the past decade, I haven't been able to maintain my e-mail history going backwards more than a year or so.
Good to know it was a PDF release that went to a few of us.
Curious that it differs from the physical release, so maybe the PDF was pre-pub.


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Post Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 6:41 pm 
 

mbassoc2003 wrote in LotFP:New info on FFV....

I must have been sent a PDF release of FFV, because the image above is a screen dump from the PDF I have, and it is not the same as the printing in Green Devil Face #1, which is also single column. But also, if you look at the digest issue of FFV, it has been condensed down to two column printing in order to reduce the page count and printing cost. The only page that is the same between the PDF I have and the hardcopy is the map on page 2 of the hardcopy which appears on page 21 of the PDF.

So FFV has an initial public release (two column and numbered on the back page), a PDF which is different and dated (22nd November 2008), and then a reprint in Green Devil Face.
I haven't had the chance to do a word for word check over the three to see if typos etc. give a clue to publication sequence, but I imagine my PDF sits in the middle between the two as a transition document during the process of reimaging FFV as GDF#1. However, if I can find typos in the PDF that were correct in FFV 1st Issue that that would place the PDF as a Pre-pub document, although that wouldn't tally with the date stamp on the file, which I'm assuming is James' created date, rather than my initial received date.

....

On the ZakS thing. Am I right in understanding ZakS was accused, then the whole US Cancel Culture machine kicked in with companies running to hide just in case people thought they were promoting such things (including RPGDriveThru and LotFP), and then at some point JERIII said, 'Enough is enough, I won't work with him but I'm not going to exclude him on Facebook so long as he behaves and doesn't talk about it." That effectively being the death knell for LotFP because he wouldn't back the Cancel Culture Vultures. Was there ever a case? Was there ever any evidence? Or was this just left wing millennial snowflakes doing what left wing snowflakes do. Acting like ar$eholes. I've dug and I cannot find any evidence that any of this is anything other than mass hysteria and slander (and an admission of guilt and a payment appear to have been made to ZakS for just that.) Anyways, seems LotFP did not understand that when children (under 25s who have not grown up yet) say to hate you must hate or lose your livelihood. He did not understand fascism. I'm sure he does now.

It'll be interesting to see where JERIII resurfaces.


I don't think the Zak thing was political at all. My understanding was that it was a dangerous sexual lifestyle and direct accusations of abuse. I hadnt heard of any exoneration but I havent been following the story.


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Post Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 5:25 am 
 

JasonZavoda wrote in LotFP:I don't think the Zak thing was political at all. My understanding was that it was a dangerous sexual lifestyle and direct accusations of abuse. I hadnt heard of any exoneration but I havent been following the story.


His lifestyle and past employment were common knowledge. He talked and posted about them openly on his blog, on YouTube and on other broadcast channels.
He was employed as a consultant by WoTC on the development of 5E, and he contributed widely to a number of publishers as both an artist and a writer.

But, it seems as though an allegation is made, with no evidence being offered, and no further investigation, and there are posts all over the RPG social media condemning him, and statements from major companies stating how they will not pay him any money, they will not sell any of his products, and they will never deal with products that even have him as a consultant. There is hysteria online about this evil influence on the community, and one troll, after ten years of campaigning against him, posted an silent public apology online as part of a plea agreement and settled with him out of court for this ongoing campaign of slander.

Yes, he went after one of the main antagonists of the cancel culture, but he will never publish again or be credited for his work in the RPG space, and it seems as though the one person who was willing to say, hang on, I'm not working with him, but this is getting way out of order, has also lost his publishing house.

That is leftist millennial politics in a nutshell. If it had been Cavanagh more sensible heads would have prevailed, but we don't all have the political backing to defend ourselves against the cancel culture mob. Where was the flurry of e-mails to RPGDriveTru complaining about their actions? Were were the rebuttals and statements of defence, or the requests for evidence to back up peoples' claims?

...

All that aside, now that we know that the majority of this was a campaign of trolling and baseless lying by people online, why do we not see those affected by it back in the game space?

Is it because of the lack of trust or what?


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Post Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:35 am 
 

mbassoc2003 wrote in LotFP:New info on FFV....
On the ZakS thing. Am I right in understanding ZakS was accused, then the whole US Cancel Culture machine kicked in with companies running to hide just in case people thought they were promoting such things (including RPGDriveThru and LotFP), and then at some point JERIII said, 'Enough is enough, I won't work with him but I'm not going to exclude him on Facebook so long as he behaves and doesn't talk about it." That effectively being the death knell for LotFP because he wouldn't back the Cancel Culture Vultures. Was there ever a case? Was there ever any evidence? Or was this just left wing millennial snowflakes doing what left wing snowflakes do. Acting like ar$eholes. I've dug and I cannot find any evidence that any of this is anything other than mass hysteria and slander (and an admission of guilt and a payment appear to have been made to ZakS for just that.) Anyways, seems LotFP did not understand that when children (under 25s who have not grown up yet) say to hate you must hate or lose your livelihood. He did not understand fascism. I'm sure he does now.

It'll be interesting to see where JERIII resurfaces.


It appears LotFP is operating normally, his webstore looks to be up and running with no restrictions. So how exactly is he experiencing fascism? Losing customers as a result of your actions is not fascism. You are free to continue to support his business, or you are free to support other creators and publishers, as most have chosen to do.

  
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