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Post Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 7:11 pm 
 

Wheee....got this in the mail today.  8)


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Been wanting one of these for a while now.  With most of them going for $100 or more over the past couple of years I didnt ever think I would snag one.  :D

  


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Post Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 5:50 am 
 

nice one - I have never managed to get one - is it any good?


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Post Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 7:30 am 
 

Any good as a game? Questionable - there are serious play balance issues with the Campagin game rules as written (especially in the three player game including Saruman) and like many SPI games of the era it takes altogether too long. The short game played with just the character chits and cards is not worth playing - the Dark Lord has a very dull time without huge armies to move and it boils down to a single dice roll or two.

Good as a Tolkien related collectable? Yes possibly - the map is lovely for a hex-grid map and the art work on the character cards is good. In some ways it was a design ahead of it's time as CDG (card driven games) are all the rage now and this was an early pointer in that direction.

There are two versions of the box art  - the earlier one is more collectable but then a shrink wrapped copy of the later boxed edition (Bakshi cover) just sold recently for $304.90 on eBay!  8O

See Boardgamegeek http://69.13.44.3/game/2228 for more good info.

To pick up a complete copy for $69 is a very good deal - many have a character card or two missing as you will see from the number of BGG's advertising for missing parts to complete.

There were two related SPI games - Gondor (an interesting Seige game that I own) and Sauron (the last Battle before the Black Gates) which were sold with The War of the Ring as a boxed set too. A friend has that edition on which I base most of the above comments - it still comes out once every 5 years or so when the mood takes him...


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Post Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 8:45 am 
 

I definitely wanted the game more for it's connection to Tolkien rather than as a gaming collectable.  It is in surprisingly good condition given the fact that it was shipped in a plain cardboard box with no packing material.  :x   The only discernable flaws are some light scuffing on the box lid.  The plastic tray, lid, and all the cardboard pieces are present as are the cards.

I did consider trying to pick up one of the older combined sets with the Sauron and Gondor mini-games but as you mentioned they are very difficult to find complete or in decent condition.  Besides, I always liked the Bakshi artwork.

I have been told by a couple of people that have played it that it is a very tedious game and that it is almost impossible to win as Sauron.  Do you know if they did a better job of balancing the game in the later Fantasy Flight release or is it essentially the same?

  


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Post Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 12:22 pm 
 

I think you'll find that the later FFG release The War of the Ring http://69.13.44.3/game/9609 is a completely different game - not a rerelease. As far as I am aware the SPI game was never rereleased.

At the BGG entry for the SPI game I originally listed if you scroll down to the Files list you will find a number of homebrew fixes - including a Fog of War variant that originally appeared in Moves #44, an Army Game varient and a copy of the Second Edition rulebook (which your copy already is - but the earlier green-box SPI edition predated).

I cannot vouch for either of the variants - although rubbish articles rarely leaked into Moves 8).

The Army Game suffered as I recall from lack of playtesting - that is playtesting by players trying to break the game rather than tamely follow/recreate the book! For instance if Sauron simply surrounded Mt Doom with stacks of units deep enough and high enough to cause the ringbearer (whenever he appeared) to have to roll a max repeatedly to pass through - well he would have a dull game and probably couldn't win a military victory with what he had left but probably couldn't lose either. If the ringbearer was stupid enough to push through for a win they would probably lose too - so a standoff developed.  :roll:

In the three player game Saruman could not move any forces until activated - and this happened so late if he just sat back that he could not win. But my mate spotted that the rules stated that he just could not move any military units - he could move the leader Saruman counter himself. So the tactic developed of rushing him off on move 1 to The Shire to try to frustrate the Fellowship player into attacking him for early activation. All rather silly really...  :?

My BGG handle is the same as here - if you want to get Gondor too drop us a line if you cannot source in the US and I would be happy to sell or trade you mine. BGG market place suggests somewhere between $55 and $75 - but should you be interested PM me a reasonable offer.

Aside - Hey I've just noticed it's my first anniversary on these forums. I only came along for some advice on how to unload all my original D&D stuff but I have been doing that at such a glacial place that I've sort of got hooked here. Keeping up to date on auctions and valuations etc I've discovered I've stumbled across a fine bunch of lads! Thanks for all the amusement and education!


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Post Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 1:27 pm 
 

KOP:

i have boxed sets of gondor and sauron (seperate). if you want em, just PM me dude. no idea what the shipping would be though.

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Post Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 5:56 pm 
 

That buy was a steal. The white box set usually caps out around $100. The flat box - no expansions is usually more, and the combo set runs around $125. The expansions do come up, but run around $35 to $70, depending on the day.

One of the guys had the game and we played it several times - flatbox with no expansions. It was fun, but took forever.


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Post Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 6:52 pm 
 

Thanks for all the info and the offers Nick and Al.  I will definitely have to think about picking up the Gondor and Sauron add-ons.  I like to check out boardgamegeek.com from time to time.  It is a really great site.  I dont spend too much time on it though because I have enough RPG crap as it is and dont need to start buying up a bunch of board- and wargames yet.  :wink:

The great thing is, today I was at work and I was talking with a friend of mine about War of the Ring and he said he thought he had played it as a teenager.  When I showed him a picture of the green box version, he told me that it was the same one and he remembers playing it and that it was a lot of fun but took half the day to finish the game.  :D   So now I at least have someone to play against.

  

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Post Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 7:12 pm 
 

I had a very nice combo box that I sold a while back in the $150.00 range.

Wish I had it back :?


At one point I had about 25 - 30 of the SPI boxed war games and such.  I let them all go in a fit of insanity (and lack of cash).  At the time they were very hot and I got great cash for them.

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Post Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 4:37 am 
 

bbarsh wrote:That buy was a steal. The white box set usually caps out around $100. The flat box - no expansions is usually more, and the combo set runs around $125. The expansions do come up, but run around $35 to $70, depending on the day.

One of the guys had the game and we played it several times - flatbox with no expansions. It was fun, but took forever.


I think you may be confused here with another boardgame. FFG had something called The Lord of the Rings (around 2000) that was expanded a number of times, as well as The War of the Ring as mentioned previously.

The SPI game of the same name was never expanded. Gondor and Sauron  are stand alone games using the same system - not expansions.


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Post Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 8:44 am 
 

War of the Ring Gondor Sauron SPI 1977 | eBay


This is the game w/expansions I was speaking of. I probably was not clear enough.


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Post Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 1:37 am 
 

bbarsh wrote:
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This is the game w/expansions I was speaking of. I probably was not clear enough.


The SPI games came out in two flavors (from what I can remember).

There was The Games of Middle Earth which has all three (War of the Ring, Gondor, and Sauron) and then there was just The War of the Ring game (without Gondor and Sauron).

I am not sure if Gondor and Sauron could be purchased separately (would have to check).

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Post Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 6:21 am 
 

Absolutely correct. And Gondor and Sauron could be purchased separately too - as nicely boxed items.


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Post Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 3:43 pm 
 


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I was pretty happy about picking this up about a week ago.  Granted its 3-hole punched, but I still think I did okay considering how high I have seen them go in the past. :)


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Post Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 5:57 pm 
 

So what is this:


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Tabletop Games: Fantasy War Game Rules: Reaper with Attack of the Fungoid Trolls Module

It is not on Afterglow and not on Boardgamegeek. The miniature wargames seems to fall through the cracks. Are there any sites that list them?

  


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Post Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 6:35 pm 
 

HermitFromPluto wrote:So what is this:


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Tabletop Games: Fantasy War Game Rules: Reaper with Attack of the Fungoid Trolls Module

It is not on Afterglow and not on Boardgamegeek. The miniature wargames seems to fall through the cracks. Are there any sites that list them?


Nothing you need concern yourself with, move along.... :lol:

  

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Post Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 11:20 pm 
 

This is a pretty sweet deal on early Warhammer box sets:

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Post Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 5:19 pm 
 

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I was pretty happy about picking this up about a week ago.  Granted its 3-hole punched, but I still think I did okay considering how high I have seen them go in the past. :)


Yep! I got this from the same guy, in the same condition:
cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem& ... 0053296335


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Post Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 11:03 pm 
 


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In better condition that the picture. Nothing too exciting, but those miniatures are one of the few pieces I am missing from completing my Chill collection.

The Chill boxed set will be hitting ebay again as I have a mint set. Funning thing is that every component is individually packed in poly! You don't see that every day.


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Post Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 5:11 pm 
 

HG Wells Little Wars sold in a few hours. anyone from here snag that?
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