tfm wrote:This is really sucking. Here's an image from the inside of my MH:[ Image ]As you can see, it is definitely a photocopy. The previous staple holes appear on all the pages and the cover. It may be that someone at Gamelords did this, but I'm now convinced that curled staples indicate a copy. Whether it's a legit copy or not is another matter, but it is not an original.
Plaag wrote:My Monte Haul has its staples in the spine not off like bclarkie's copy, yet no photo copy marks like tfm's.I also have the non-pink copy of Compleat Tavern and its inside front and back covers are not the color of the cover/back cover.ShaneG.
mbassoc2003 wrote:As regards Montie Haul, the border around the perimeter of the cover concerns me. Aside from it being monocolor, it looks like a product assembled from paper/card that is pre-cut. With the original, the printing runs to the edges because all the sheets are oversized, staples into a book and then giloutined to get flush edges.My impession is that it is a later copy assembled on the cheap. Either a later rerun by Gamelords, or a fake.I cannot talk wisely about Tavers as I've never owned one. Could LZ have been running off copies for his business? He has been known to publish his own copies of a lot of stuff, and that would explain the scale and dispersal of the products.
burntwire wrote:If I remember right I think the Pink cover came from Crazy Egor's. I think we bought it in 2003. I have seen the pink cover version on Ebay a few times but can't remember if they were from the same seller. Hard to believe that someone would bother counterfeiting these. Allan busted Egor one year for selling copies of "The City of Brass".
mbassoc2003 wrote:My gut instinct is that someone is running off fake digests at a copshop and selling them slowly on eBay. Maybe they aren't active anymore, and maybe the 'fakes' are rarer than the real copies.I can't comment on Taverns, but that Montie Haul is not printed, its photocopied. Now I can't say Gamelords didn't decide to publish photocopies, but I don't see it.Who was your source for these? You could PM me if you wish. I'm just interested. I picked up a couple of 'fake' fanzines and cross checked with Brette. Mine are definate fakes. I'm just curious about your seller.You're right. Lou always stuck his stickers over everything. As for PoVQ, we don't know how many fakes are running around out there, and we haven't found a way of confirming whether any are fake, and how to identify them. If there are any fakes, I'd bet on the ones without the two tone grid.
Plaag wrote:My Monte Haul has its staples in the spine not off like bclarkie's copy, yet no photo copy marks like tfm's.I also have the non-pink copy of Compleat Tavern and its inside front and back covers are not the color of the cover/back cover.
tfm wrote:Well, it's not t.p. yet. I just don't like the possibility that some asswipe is out there making money off of something that doesn't belong to him/her; especially given that a lot of the startups got screwed over (WW). Fakes are an interesting sub-genre to the hobby and deserve some attention. More specifically, LCOT would not be terribly difficult to reproduce. The cover paper would hang-up a thief on comparison to a real one, but he/she could approximate it, and that's the problem.As for my MH, the pages do stick out beyond the cover, like somebody used 8.5 x 11 stock and folded it over. The lettering on the cover for my CT (pink) is sloppy and not as dense as the CT (brown).It's possible that the curled-staple versions are legitimate, but we'll have to wait until Allan gets back to us.Try looking up Gamelords at some of the more popular online RPG resellers. They are out there.
bclarkie wrote:mbassoc2003 wrote:My gut instinct is that someone is running off fake digests at a copshop and selling them slowly on eBay. Maybe they aren't active anymore, and maybe the 'fakes' are rarer than the real copies.I can't comment on Taverns, but that Montie Haul is not printed, its photocopied. Now I can't say Gamelords didn't decide to publish photocopies, but I don't see it.Who was your source for these? You could PM me if you wish. I'm just interested. I picked up a couple of 'fake' fanzines and cross checked with Brette. Mine are definate fakes. I'm just curious about your seller.You're right. Lou always stuck his stickers over everything. As for PoVQ, we don't know how many fakes are running around out there, and we haven't found a way of confirming whether any are fake, and how to identify them. If there are any fakes, I'd bet on the ones without the two tone grid.The seller who sold me my copies was dandplayer:eBay Feedback Profile for dandplayer
Deadlord36 wrote:The original staple marks on the photocopies pretty much seals it. Someone took apart a Tavern and photocopied it. The pinkies are fakes. As to who made them, that might take a bit of work, but I suggest every pinkie owner try to recollect where they got it, and cross-reference the info.I originally asked about Tavern because I didn't recall mine having maps in it (though it did). Guess I inadvertently opened a can of rot grubs.