Difference between Spartan #9 and Warlock
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Post Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:15 pm 
 

Hi all,

i already own a copy of "The Compleat Warlock", should i bid for Spartan issue #9 on ebay?

I mean, are there any differences between the two or are they identical ? If they were identical, i would waste my money in buying it, that's why i need to know it in advance.

I made a comparison between the two table of contents, they don't look the same, they have different names. But all in all, the content is the same, or is The warlock version contained in Spartan a more "rough" and sort of pre-publication version?

Should i buy it? :D

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Post Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:31 pm 
 

There are some differences between the two but nothing major.  Remember that these rules parallel that of the D&D 3 vol boxed sets so there are some similiarities in development.  The bulk remains the same but Spartan refers to Hobbits while Compleat Warlock refers to Haflings, etc.

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Post Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 5:43 pm 
 

I'd say there a lot of differences, although mostly it's just more of everything in the Complete Warlock since it is much longer (56 pages versus 34 pages).
The Spartan version covers only the character classes that existed up to the Greyhawk supplement.

I wouldn't call the Spartan version "pre-publication" - it was published in a magazine. The Spartan rules are presented as a supplement to D&D rather than a separate game, although it is stated that this is because of space limitations; implying that if they had room they would've published an entire game in 1975. Though in the Complete Warlock they backtrack on this by stating their game is not intended to replace D&D, and still recommend that the rules are used with D&D. The "Complete Warlock" is an ironic title considering it only covers Men & Magic material and wasn't a complete game on its own until two further volumes were published.


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Post Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 12:58 am 
 

booo--you scooped me on Spartan I bet. Nice grab; thought I had it.



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Post Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 12:51 pm 
 

$96 is definitely a high point for this magazine:  they usually sell for more in the $35-60 price range, I think:

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Post Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 1:24 pm 
 

Wow, that is higher than I expected, particularly for having some staining on the back cover. Vault Keeper's asked about the Spartan Warlock here several times, and I've also written about it on my blog, but I guess VK's particular mention of it being on Ebay led to the "Acaeum effect" this time? Looking closer, while there were 11 bids these were from only two bidders.

I paid $50 for a copy in late 2010, but it was from Noble Knight when there weren't any coming up on Ebay. I also offset the price a bit by getting some 1 cent items I later resold for a few dollars each.

Since then I've seen ~10 or so come and go on Ebay, fitting in Allan's range. At the low end, one just sold for $28.66 (+~$6 shipping) in May. Nice condition, although less pics than the current one.


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Post Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 1:19 am 
 

The Spartan #10 (April 1976) contains one more page of info on the Warlock system ... er ... variant:

The Spartan #9 contains a thief class description, plus descriptions for a dozen+ thief abilities, BUT it doesn't contain the Thievish Abilities tables (that are later included in the Complete Warlock). The Spartan #10 (April 1976) rectifies that omission, with a one-page article called "Warlock Thief Abilities," which includes the lists of 1st through 7th level thief abilities.

Thief abilities in Complete Warlock only go up to 6th level, so the original Warlock is "one louder," as  Nigel Tufnel might say.

Oddly, both versions of the game ... er ... variant don't include enough thief abilities to match the thief class table. A 23rd level thief in the original Warlock begins gaining 8th level thief abilities, but there is no list of 8th level abilities. Similarly, a 17th level thief in the Complete Warlock begins gaining 7th level thief abilities, but there is no list of 7th level abilities.

(Posting this a few relevant places, because I've found no discussion of the fact that The Spartan #10 contains Warlock material.)


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Post Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:40 am 
 

Thanks for the info, Guy! I have noticed that table was missing in #9. Are the number of abilities per level the same as in CW, or are there less per level in the original version?


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Post Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 12:33 pm 
 

I think it is slightly fewer per level, and certainly re-ordered:

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Post Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 10:25 pm 
 

Awesome! Thanks for sharing that. :salut:


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