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Post Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 6:51 am 
 

lokiwookie wrote:Yep, we paid only $4 to ship to France!  8O Only $4!! For such an huge book!


Same here. I'm surprised I didn't get a notification afterwards to pay more shipping since when they were handing out the posters they did ask some money for the shipping.

Seeing the comments from shipments inside the US I'm already very worried about how they will arrive overhere  :?



  

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Post Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 12:37 pm 
 

Unfortunately, I can't imagine that your books will arrive without some damage.  I hope they do.  Both of mine had fairly large corner dings, more so on one cover, than the other, depending on whether that cover was on the inside or outside.

The problem was that there was little clearance between the books and the box.  Any ding/dents, which are inevitable with most shippers handling practices, will directly impact what's stored inside.  Wish they would have used a slightly larger box and a little buffer paper.

Goodman has also layered cardboard on the inside before with my orders, which has helped as well.  Not sure with these collectible books why they would have thought ahead on this one.

  


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Post Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 5:56 pm 
 

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FormCritic wrote:Great -  Another Castle Zagyg, The Upper Works disaster?


from the website

Collector-quality copies: We are unfortunately not able to guarantee "collector-quality" copies. Even if the copy we package is pristine, we cannot guarantee that the mail carrier will deliver it pristine. If you are a collector looking for a "perfect" copy of a book, please be advised that we do not accept returns due to the normal wear-and-tear of the mail order process.


so perhaps no surprises then - though I must say I am a little teempted by these books, an their shipping (costs, at least) are not the worst in the world


I do too, perhaps we can get a pair shipped (I'm looking at the basic copy, not gilt) and split the costs?  :)


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Post Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 8:23 pm 
 

My two copies arrived today...one foil and one standard.

When she heard a gamer friend mention it, my wife had encouraged me to get the foil version as a birthday present.  So, I've got one.

The books arrived with minor corner bumps...and one pretty good one on the back top corner of the foil edition cover.

I don't think their collector value has been destroyed for all time because I believe virtually all of these books will have been damaged in shipment.  That is pretty much guaranteed by the fact that they are heavy tomes and they have been shipped in tight boxes with no padding.  It would have taken hard work by the postal service not to bump their corners.

So, I'll gently straighten out the worst corner bump and I'll put these on my shelves.  I really like the game.  I just didn't like the company statement that said, essentially, "We know you paid a lot for a collector's edition, and we also know that the way we are shipping them is almost sure to damage every one of them.  But, if you complain, we officially declare you to be a doo doo head."  Okay, I can work with that, but the doo doo head caveat probably should have been in the initial listing for the item.

DCC #66.5 Doom of the Savage Kings is intensely nice.  It is short...only eight leaves (16 pages) with three pages taken up by maps.  The maps are cool, hand-drawn items that enhance the feel of the module.  No CGI here.  The artwork depicts cartoon gore and mayhem, warning the players of its lethality.   You get a well-drawn village, a wilderness area and a short dungeon.  This module was supposed to be only available with the initial pre-order, right?  On the cover it says, "Free with DCC RPG purchase," but it also says, "$9.99 otherwise."  Curious?  Or did I misread the original offer?

Overall, I prefer the look of the standard book to the foil copy.  I think the cover art catches the wind from Melnibone better than the puzzling skull on the foil version. (It looks sort of Central American to me....?)  The DCC RPG has limited spells...which suits me fine.  The spells only go up to 5th level and there are darn few of them on the upper level list.  This means that either the designer didn't intend for your character to live that long anyway, or there's another supplement coming.  The back cover blurb does state the "DCC RPG is a complete role playing game."  A supplement to get to higher levels would sort of cast a shadow on that whole "complete" concept.  (One of the essential mistakes of 4th Edition D&D was presenting the gamer with an incomplete system in its initial three books.)  I like the random spell results.  I think spell-casters in general are too cocky.  Characters cab influence the random spell rolls and some of the results are decidedly in the spell-caster's favor.

Looking at the back cover...someone has already pointed out that the female figure behind the disco barbarian has had a bow erased from her hands.  I think this was done because the figure's stance demanded a longbow and the resulting image would have projected into the book spine's gutter.  A light crossbow has been drawn in at the figure's waist, giving the impression that this clumsy NPC has dropped her weapon...or that it shrank out of her grasp.  I would have drawn daggers in both hands to hide the weapon switch.

Now, here is an irony:  The interior artist whose work looks the best to me is Russ Nicholson, the chief artist of the Fiend Folio.  Times have changed.

I think the initial price will hinder the spread of the game, but this is a version of D&D well worth trying to play.  If nothing else, it is a platform to keep on collecting the DCC modules.  If the modules keep the relative quality of #66.5, we have a winner.  And, the PDF price is easier than the hardcover price...so the RPG might not be that out of reach in an era of Ebooks and readers.


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Post Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 10:24 pm 
 

lokiwookie wrote:He looks like Vercingetorix with clown pants


Think voice-of-Casey-Casum-era Battle of the Planets. And this:
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Post Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 10:46 pm 
 

FormCritic wrote:Overall, I prefer the look of the standard book to the foil copy.  I think the cover art catches the wind from Melnibone better than the puzzling skull on the foil version. (It looks sort of Central American to me....?)


It reminds me of Motorhead (1977):

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Post Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 5:01 pm 
 

DCC as the Motorhead of RPGs? Righteous. Then we should also regard any dents or dings with which the copies arrive as the equivalent of Lemmy's warts, valuable collectors items:

http://legacy.roadrunnerrecords.com/bla ... temID=5395
'MOTÖRHEAD leader Lemmy is considering having his famous facial warts surgically removed, according to Spin magazine. "They get bigger as you get older," Lemmy says, "and I've been shaving around them long enough." Incredibly, the bassist/vocalist would also be open to the possibility of auctioning off the gnarly things to a lucky (and presumably rich) fan. "Yeah, I could sell them on the Internet, like that porn-star chick Houston who sold pieces of her labia."'

I think I'll re-name my DCC character "Lemmy's Warts." Or maybe the warts would make good spell components for a campaign. A quest to find them all would be like collecting the Dragonballs.

  


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Post Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 8:01 pm 
 

From the thread in the goodman forums:

Goodman Games wrote:Some customers did receive damaged orders, which is a shame. We're working with them to get things taken care of. Just to put it in perspective...the number of "damage reports" is running at well under 1% of the pre-orders shipped. There are a lot of DCC RPG hardbacks moving through the postal service right now.

Many of you have ordered lots of products via mail order. Some of you have even shipped lots of products via mail order. Over the course of running Goodman Games, I have shipped hundreds of thousands of books. The packaging used to ship DCC RPG is sufficient for the vast majority of postal situations. You're hearing complaints not because there are "a lot of damages" but because there are "a lot of books shipped," and the small percentage of those that got damaged is a high enough number to generate some posts.

No matter what I do, the post office will damage some copies. I have experimented in the past with several mailing options (bubble wrap, foam peanuts, double-layered cardboard, etc.). Even in those situations, books sometimes get damaged. With the modern trend toward "collectible copies," the bar is raised continually higher, and collectors in particular tend to identify defects that are more and more subtle in nature. Many of the collectors are looking for that "perfect 10" copy, which is hard to guarantee under any circumstances. I'm sure you've all seen the guy at cons who looks through 30 copies to buy the most perfect one...some of you may even be that guy.  

If there's anyone out there with a dinged-up book who hasn't already contacted me, feel free to do so and we'll sort it out. As noted on my web store, I can't guarantee "collectible perfection" but if the copy is materially damaged in some manner I'll replace it.

  

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Post Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 8:13 pm 
 

Sounds like a reasonable response to me... can't guarantee perfection but will correct damage.

My two copies arrived just fine... I think there was some drop-shipping involved, even the local PO couldn't figure out all the shipping stickers on the box, lol.  

Btw full marks to Goodman for sending out the free posters a while back, that token sure got me on board the project.  Can't wait to get reading now...


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Post Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 10:35 pm 
 

Drop me a PM dave if you're interested - my credit card is currently clear so I reckon we can do this!
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Post Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 2:55 am 
 

Thinking further....

You know, I said the initial cost would hinder the game....but $39.99 is almost free compared to the prices for most other RPG launches at the moment.


Hmmm.


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Post Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 5:30 pm 
 

The book looks fantastic. Very nice mention of the Acaeum and the North Texas Con in Appendix O: OSR Resources. Just glancing through it I love the profuse illustrations, and in keeping with their other module covers DCC66.5 looks like it should adorn the notebook of a 9th grader who drew over a nice background illustration.

As previously noted the $9.99 price on the cover makes me wonder if this is actually a limited production module.

I received this from a third party who placed it in a small box inside a larger box and made sure that the small box was centered, sitting on packing, with packing around the corners, and packing on top. The outer box was damaged. The cocooned box was safe, and snug, and secure so that the book and module arrived undamaged.

I will sit down and really read through this rulebook, enjoying the multitude of pictures greatly. (As an aside D&Dnext creates no great interest or anticpation for me. Maybe I am alone in this, but Goodman has succeeded magnificently in attracting me as a consumer, while WotC has not).


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Post Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 7:35 pm 
 

Haven't seen much about the quality of paper and I saw this picture on goodman's forums:

DCC RPG (488 pages) vs. Pathfinder Core Rulebook (576 pages)

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about 100 pages less and quite a bit thicker than the PF rule book.

I don't know what the postman did to mine, but all four of the corners on mine are all banged up. I'd say a good 1/4"-1/2" depending on which corner it is. Would have been nice to get one like Al's.

  


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Post Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 1:59 pm 
 

Mine arrived kinda smushed too--its a collectors edition; I pinged GG custpomer servcie several days ago--no response yet. Figure I'll tell Harley in Dallas



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Post Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 2:02 pm 
 

gyg wrote:
FormCritic wrote:Great -  Another Castle Zagyg, The Upper Works disaster?


from the website

Collector-quality copies: We are unfortunately not able to guarantee "collector-quality" copies. Even if the copy we package is pristine, we cannot guarantee that the mail carrier will deliver it pristine. If you are a collector looking for a "perfect" copy of a book, please be advised that we do not accept returns due to the normal wear-and-tear of the mail order process.


so perhaps no surprises then - though I must say I am a little teempted by these books, an their shipping (costs, at least) are not the worst in the world


I am pretty disappointed that they would sell a "collector" limited edition and not at least pack some padding inside the box. All of my corners are dinged and folded, and I have  acrease on the front cover.



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Post Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 2:16 pm 
 

davidc wrote:Sounds like a reasonable response to me... can't guarantee perfection but will correct damage.


Joe didn't say that Goodman would correct damage.  He said that he would correct books that were "materially damaged."

I don't plan to keep beating up Goodman over this, but they did sell a collector's edition and then kind of make light of us picky collectors for wanting the book in collectible condition.


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Post Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 2:28 pm 
 

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davidc wrote:Sounds like a reasonable response to me... can't guarantee perfection but will correct damage.

Joe didn't say that Goodman would correct damage.  He said that he would correct books that were "materially damaged."
I don't plan to keep beating up Goodman over this, but they did sell a collector's edition and then kind of make light of us picky collectors for wanting the book in collectible condition.



sigh...
I thought the excuse/statement was not very well thought out.
Seemed to be a knee jerk reaction one might find on a forum board, written and then posted without printing it out and reading it for himself first.

Anyone have any thoughts on the Magic System and Spell casting Rules yet?
For the most part the rules seem to apply equally to both Mages and Priests much the same when casting spells.
I have (so far) only skimmed those rules, but it already seems too complicated.
From what I have skimmed (so far) spell castors have to make several die rolls when casting any spell... just to make sure the spell does not go bad.
Like turn the castor into an octopus limbed monstrosity... open up a worm hole into another plane of existence wherein undead, elementals, demons, devils or some other nasty critter comes forth to wreak havoc on the entire world just because you have miscast your magic missile spell.
As I stated, I have only skimmed it so far, so probably WAY TOO soon to say that is what goes on... but... YIKES!
I think I would only want to run a group of Dwarves or a bunch of human fighters... 8)


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Post Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 7:16 pm 
 

Goodman Games wrote:...If there's anyone out there with a dinged-up book who hasn't already contacted me, feel free to do so and we'll sort it out. As noted on my web store, I can't guarantee "collectible perfection" but if the copy is materially damaged in some manner I'll replace it.
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This fits my criteria as a reasonable response to varying critical demands... has anyone not been made 'right'?


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