JasonZavoda wrote:
I can't post as I'm not a backer, but I was really disappointed to learn that the Cyclopean Depths modules will not be exclusive to the kickstarter program. I was also disappointed to learn that at the $650 level you will only get one set of these Cyclopean depths modules, leaving the 3 other books purchased as incomplete sets.

I think thats a bit harsh Jason... its still a great deal.. and doesn't change anything in my mind.. the $650 level is still the "level" to get.. you might now have to "buy"the other versions of the "bonus" (pathfinder/ S&W) modules.. but at least you can buy them.. I look at it this way.. the modules are just that.. and add on to the main attraction.. and its the main attraction that will be worth the most at the end of the day.. the belief that all the bonus modules were "exclusive" made it more so of course, but still 4 coppies of 7b will be fine.. at the $650 level you are $162.50 (inc the 7b)..

One of the biggest issues I sometimes find on Kickstarter is "what do I actually get" and the fact the the funding levels are static.. they can change over time, things get added, new levels etc..

Brette:)

JasonZavoda wrote:
It comes down to the 'bonus' material weighing in at $250 when you pledge at the $650 level. It is a better deal in some ways than the $250 level which makes the 1 set of bonus material cost $150

I think in the excitement of the Kickstarter programs with the changing bonuses and rewards  people forget that they are pre-ordering a game and it does come down to what you are getting for your money. At $650 you are ordering 4 $100 books and getting supplemental material of undeteremined value but at a $250 cost. The rewards are a nice extra but once they have met the reward goals then they become part of what is being offered for sale. My problem with this revelation from Mythmere on the K&KA site and the information you (Brette) quoted from the Kickstarter Update (which I believe may have changed) dramatically changes what is being offered as rewards. I don't think it was clear that the Cyclopean Depths bonus modules were going to be made available after the release of the book and since they are non-exclusive it is a big change in what a $650 purchase is going to bring you.

I don't think this is a harsh view or comment, simply trying to get down to brass tacks about what kind of deal is actually being offered.

Its hasn't "changed" it has been clarified that all.. its all about what we each think unfortunatly.. one person sees bonus and he sees exclusivity (and admittadly I did) and another see an extra add on of a module that will be sold seperatly.. thats why its always good to ask questions to "know" exacly what you are getting.. I see it this way

at $100 you get the book
at the $175 you get a huge limited ed book signed and numbered and a couple of extras I'm personally not interesed in (stocking filler)
at $250 you get the exclusive module and battle mat plus same stocking filler
at $500 you get 2 of the $250 level.. 2x level above and name on tomestone however you only get 1 of the bonues modules (its now better to get 2 x $250 level in pure product sence.. you get a second copy of the boneus modules but no name on tomestone, so name is 'costting" $30 of product for you)
at the $650 level you get 4 coppies of the huge book (inc the ex module) plus 1 of the stocking fillers etc
at $1000 you get 4 books, 4 stocking fillers, 1 bonus modules, 1  scanned (printed) of the notes.. nice but not me, costing $350 in my book..

if you wated the limited you have to be in at least $250 level.. at this level its $250 per book, the $500 is $250 per book, the $650 is $162.50 per book, the $1000 is $250 per book..

the $650 level wins hands down..

Brette:)

Even better then.. $650 is still winning;)

Brette:)

Nooooooo.....

Brette:)

beasterbrook wrote:if you wated the limited you have to be in at least $250 level.. at this level its $250 per book, the $500 is $250 per book, the $650 is $162.50 per book, the $1000 is $250 per book..

the $650 level wins hands down..

Lowest price per unit is not always the best deal for something.  If you can't use the full quantity, then there is no point buying extra.  For many, $100 or $250 level will be the best choice.

I am adding some collectable perks--working on details

Don't hammer Bill too hard about it, he's supporting the collector-value under heavy fire from inside his own foxhole.     (From me).

I hate restricting content, and in every subsequent Kickstarter, as I did with this one, I will vote against having any at all. I'm not the top guy in the company, though. I prefer to leave the option open for us to reprint a complete version down the road in case ... D&D 14.7E has a nice open content license, or something.

Anyway the news is that the Kickstarter Cyclopean Deeps modules will have a cover to match the book. The regular printing won't - those will look like regular modules.

And as Bill said, Level 7B is completely restricted and won't be reprinted, much against my urging to the contrary.

Yeah, I know, just call me Wormtongue..... PS don't get me wrong, I love numbered editions, signed stuff, special covers, etc. Just not restricting the content itself.

Mythmere1 wrote:Don't hammer Bill too hard about it, he's supporting the collector-value under heavy fire from inside his own foxhole.     (From me).

I hate restricting content, and in every subsequent Kickstarter, as I did with this one, I will vote against having any at all. I'm not the top guy in the company, though. I prefer to leave the option open for us to reprint a complete version down the road in case ... D&D 14.7E has a nice open content license, or something.

Anyway the news is that the Kickstarter Cyclopean Deeps modules will have a cover to match the book. The regular printing won't - those will look like regular modules.

And as Bill said, Level 7B is completely restricted and won't be reprinted, much against my urging to the contrary.

Yeah, I know, just call me Wormtongue..... PS don't get me wrong, I love numbered editions, signed stuff, special covers, etc. Just not restricting the content itself.

This seems to be todays breakdown of pledges.

2 pledges at $5 ($10 total)
20 pledges at $40 ($800 total)
147 pledges at $100 ($14,700 total)
Grand Total for pledges not receiving signed and numbered or exclusive content $15,510

15 pledges at $175 ($2,625 total)
Grand total for pledges receiving signed and numbered copy but not receiving exclusive content $2,625

96 pledges at $250 ($24,000 total)
18 pledges at $500 ($9,000 total)
6 pledges at $650 ($3,900 total)
2 pledges at $1,000 ($2,000 total)
2 pledges at $1,200 ($2,400 total)
3 pledges at $2,000 ($6,000 total)
Grand Total for pledges receiving exclusive content $47,300

to be totally clear--1 limited edition book of each type with each Rappan Athuk hard copy at >$250. 10 hard copies, 10 of each module, 1 hardcopy, 1 of each module--plus other schwag.

I want you guys to have complete sets:)

I am going to add a huge perk to the $10k level soon. It will involve a 1/5 something written (only 1 copy provided) as well as a unique Reaper Miniature