TheHistorian wrote in Interesting Non-TSR Items Formerly on eBay:How much is that per page?
grodog wrote in Interesting Non-TSR Items Formerly on eBay:TheHistorian wrote in Interesting Non-TSR Items Formerly on eBay:How much is that per page?I can't tell you that, since I don't know page counts, but at $1585.33 per issue, that's not too bad, really Rob and I were discussing the issues at lunch, and I commented that I thought that they'd sell for about $14K ---good to see that my estimation skills are still on the money
Bracton wrote in Interesting Non-TSR Items Formerly on eBay:I don't think it's fair to call them fakes. I think three of them are likely "originals", meaning that they are as originally distributed, with an original cover. The others appear to be vintage photocopies. Now, are the copies worth less than an "original"? Sure. But worthless? That doesn't make sense to me.My rough guess? $3000 for each original, $1000 for each photocopy. That takes you to $15,000. So the buyer paid about the right price (though still more than I was willing to pay).
Gnat the Beggar wrote in Interesting Non-TSR Items Formerly on eBay:Bracton wrote in Interesting Non-TSR Items Formerly on eBay:I don't think it's fair to call them fakes. I think three of them are likely "originals", meaning that they are as originally distributed, with an original cover. The others appear to be vintage photocopies. Now, are the copies worth less than an "original"? Sure. But worthless? That doesn't make sense to me.My rough guess? $3000 for each original, $1000 for each photocopy. That takes you to $15,000. So the buyer paid about the right price (though still more than I was willing to pay).Vintage photocopies?What is that?So then the buyer could now photocopy all of them and sell a few sets of them for... umnnn..... lets say a bargain price of just $500 each issue (being modern copies instead of vintage photocopies, makes them worth half price perhaps?) and get all his money back and then some....I say no to valuating ANY photocopies at $1000 each or modern copies at high prices either.SLIPPERY SLOPE!So then I could print copies of the Ultra Rare Greyhawk Papers (I scanned them before selling them) that I sold to a fellow member a few years ago and sell them for 1/4th of what he paid?Seriously?The implied justification that they MIGHT be really old (vintage) photocopies flys in the face of the ideals and practices of almost every collector here.How many times have the leaders and high end collectors on this site blasted e-Bay sellers for doing that?How many times have auctions been ended through the work of collectors on this site for that very reason?IF that listing featured only 2 true originals, then the buyer paid $7,000 each for the two true original copies and the shipping costs was for the photocopies.
Gnat the Beggar wrote in Interesting Non-TSR Items Formerly on eBay:Vintage photocopies?What is that?
Gnat the Beggar wrote in Interesting Non-TSR Items Formerly on eBay:How many times have the leaders and high end collectors on this site blasted e-Bay sellers for doing that?How many times have auctions been ended through the work of collectors on this site for that very reason?IF that listing featured only 2 true originals, then the buyer paid $7,000 each for the two true original copies and the shipping costs was for the photocopies.
Bracton wrote in Interesting Non-TSR Items Formerly on eBay:the original distribution of the Domesdays often appear to have been done via photocopies, made by Gary or others in the C&C Society. IF that is the case with these copies, then they are in effect originals, just without the color paper cover. It is impossible to tell from the pictures in an eBay auction whether this may be the case, and without provenance it may be forever impossible to be sure either way. That being said, a few members on this forum (myself certainly not included) may be able to look at the copies and make an educated guess as to whether they were in effect part of the original distribution.If they were, then I stand by my valuation.
Phentari wrote in Interesting Non-TSR Items Formerly on eBay: I suppose it's sort of like saying that a Gutenberg isn't an original Bible, eh?
Thunderdave wrote in Interesting Non-TSR Items Formerly on eBay:This was an interesting lot: ** expired/removed eBay auction **I've never heard of the Stone of Sandor.. nice pick up
Bracton wrote in Interesting Non-TSR Items Formerly on eBay:Unsurprisingly, Jon put the point far better than I did.It is certainly possible that the copies were made by the subscriber, to just have extra copies. That would indeed be, in my view, an item of very little value (other than the novelty of being able to read something where likely ten or fewer copies are in existence). And, if that is how these copies came to be, Zen's and Gnat's objection to giving any real value to them absolutely makes sense.That, however, was not my assumption, based upon the fact that duplicate originals were not being sold, along with Jon's earlier posts and the opinion of another Acaeum member much more experienced in evaluating these types of items than I.As Jon suggested, the original distribution of the Domesdays often appear to have been done via photocopies, made by Gary or others in the C&C Society. IF that is the case with these copies, then they are in effect originals, just without the color paper cover. It is impossible to tell from the pictures in an eBay auction whether this may be the case, and without provenance it may be forever impossible to be sure either way. That being said, a few members on this forum (myself certainly not included) may be able to look at the copies and make an educated guess as to whether they were in effect part of the original distribution.If they were, then I stand by my valuation.