Marlith wrote:I want it to be known that I was unaware of any of this when I bid on it after posting it here.
faro wrote:Thanks for confirming that, Marl.The "retract bid" option is still available, I presume...?At present I'd've thought Mars is still the legal owner, if he hasn't received his money back and the seller claims they've already spent that(!).Heck. At least that would demonstrate some displeasure in the manner they've handled this, at least; and it's still a seven day auction going nowhere anytime soon.=(I'd love to see whoever claimed it's worth $200 put their money where their mouth is, though. Somehow I doubt it...).
Marlith wrote:I have no problem with that. My only concern is if I can legally retract the bid. I will do it and describe the events as put forth here as the reason. I do not want to get my eBay account flagged or affected in anyway because of this though.
faro wrote:@Mars: Erm, so you both agreed a legally binding transaction, he took your money, then unilaterally backed out?I'm not sure what idiot quoted $200 (as a spoiler), but given that he'd taken- and still has- your money I'm surprised to see anyone from around here bidding it up again... I'd personally be filing under shady/untrustworthy seller.(Yeah, this has happened to me, too, although not quite on that timescale...).Per my comment on The former Non-TSR Recent Fun Finds Thread • Page 28 • Collecting General - Non TSR • The Acaeum , $50 is a fair price - and I paid less than that ($45-ish) on a full 7-day sale on eBay last year.
Greedy Seller wrote:"...I believe it is more fair to everyone to list it separately on eBay."
Mars wrote:I made an offer of $40 (hence his starting price) + $8 for shipping which I thought was fair considering it has a name inside and an 1.5 inch embossing on the cover. I even received this email from:"Just a quick to confirm that I received your payment of $48.00 throughPaypal. The Necromican book will go out to you tomorrow at the followingaddress via airmail letter post: ..."Then this morning I get the email:"I am refunding all your money, as I have reconsidered selling the Necromican book offline. Due to the unexpected interest expressed by several people, I believe it is more fair to everyone to list it separately on eBay."When I inquired about this he then says that the fair market value is upto $200. Looking at this email again, I guess it was nice of him to refund ALL my money (eventually I hope) and not charge me a self imposed restocking fee.Easy come easy go I guess. I am curious to see what this one ends at but I don't really want to pay a premium price for a blacked out name and 1.5 inch cover embossing so I don't mind waiting for the next one.I suppose if I really wanted to push the subject I'm sure there is a small claims court case in there - I could have Judge Judy sort it out Just out of curiousity, I sent an email off to Paypal to see what they say about it. BTW, I don't begrudge anyone who wants to bid on the auction - not that I'm a big fish in the sea anyway
faro wrote:I'm not touching this auction with a bargepole, anyhow. (Not that I would've been, anyhow, since I left that to deimos, remember! ^^).
faro wrote:Thanks for the copy, Mars. Sorry to read that. $40 was a good price, but hardly an outstanding bargain compared with the last one that went for $17 BIN, IIRC.Not as though you'd viciously armtwisted them to sell you their woodgrain for $25, or anything like that.How many times have I read that "excuse"... All they are really interested in is more $ in their back pocket and it seems as though they're impatient to get that, too.Selling something that doesn't actually belong to them at this particular instant in time is a new trick, I must admit.
grodog wrote:I've edited that post, so hopefully if anyone was using that as a bell-weather it'll be fixed in the future. If that post wasn't the source for the $200 figure, then at least no one can be misled by it in the future.
necromican wrote:I hope that everyone can concede that there are two sides to every story.
necromican wrote:I have been and always shall be an honorable member of the eBay community.Some posts in this forum call for me to be listed as an untrustworthy seller on eBay for an event that went outside of eBay, which I now realize it never should have. Is this truly justified? I can say that I have learned from this experience not to go outside of eBay.
necromican wrote:I am saddened by the amount of negative energy this has generated and take responsibility for my share. I believe this is truly a lose-lose situation and not something I strive for.
necromican wrote:I hope that everyone can concede that there are two sides to every story. I am the owner of the book in question. I have been and always shall be an honorable member of the eBay community. When I originally listed my D&D rule books and included the Necromican, I have to admit that I did not know its value as a collectible. Then I began receiving a number of inquiries from people about buying the Necromican book off-line.After thinking about this, I re-considered my decision of selling the book off-line. Going back to everyone who contacted me and asking what they would pay for it (which is what was suggested to me) did not seem right to me. Instead, selling it at auction seemed more fair to everyone and give everyone an equal chance at it. The true market value would then be determined by the highest bidder--whatever that is. I began the auction at a reasonable amount, and I did not expect to get $200. Upon reflection, I understand why Mars is upset by my action of reconsidering his offer and refunding him his money. I have apologized to him several times and perhaps this was wrong on my part. I am now receiving flames from other eBay members regarding this, which was a private matter actually conducted outside of eBay. Some posts in this forum call for me to be listed as an untrustworthy seller on eBay for an event that went outside of eBay, which I now realize it never should have. Is this truly justified? I can say that I have learned from this experience not to go outside of eBay.I am saddened by the amount of negative energy this has generated and take responsibility for my share. I believe this is truly a lose-lose situation and not something I strive for. I respectfully bow out by removing the auction from eBay as requested by Mars.