Deffinately not better than OD&D. Way too complex and over inflated with excessive 'fluff'. There are maybe a dozen or more OD&Desque rulesets from that time, and OD&D succeeded because it was the best. It's that simple. Only the best survive, and that is why we all know about the good rulests, and the bad ones are rarities.

There is a PDF available somewhere for What Price Glory!? and an errata sheet for it, but I've not seen a link in a while.

and, by the way, a PDF of "What price glory?!" would be much appreciated  

Not a legal PDF, no, but then 99% of the PDFs online are not legal, but I imagine a search on Google would chase it down. In my experience, it was harder to find ST1 in PDF than anything else I've tried looking for.

In fact no, that's an exageration. I've been trying to find the two modules from Weis & Hickman for years with no joy.


I probably wouldn't stick Darkus Thel in the same OD&Desque catagory on account of its publication date, unless it was a homebrew thing for many years before it was published.

There were maybe two or three rulesets published in the UK between '75 and '78 designed to surplant OD&D, and there is bound to have been two or three to have come out of FGU. There's bound to have been a set come out from Steve Jackson, maybe even something from Zocchi. Then we have Arduin, C&S, Arneson's Adventures in Fantasy, that Generic FRP Ruleset that always crops up on eBay, and even T&T if you want to stretch a point.

What Price Glory is as close to OD&D as Advenures in Fantasy, C&S or Arduin are.

The problem with WPG is that the book is perfect bound so to make a pdf would damaged it. So I am not sure someone made one.

For the list of OD&D clones, one could add Nimolee (1982) and Tunnels & Trolls, and Beasts, Men, & Gods (perhaps TFT too, but different)? And Miekka Ja Maggia, which is in finnish (not english one). And in French, we have Donjons et Dragons (1982), which an unofficial D&D translation, and actually is a D&D variant.
I didn't read Bifrost for the moment, so I am not sure about this one. I bought one copy from T&T ($15!) and will be able to answer soon.

DF threads:

http://www.dragonsfoot.org/forums/search.php?keywords=what+price+glory&terms=all&author=&sc=1&sf=all&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&st=0&ch=300&t=0&submit=Search

As for Nimolee, i wonder how many persons had the chance to play it, in the past. I know nothing about it.

Yes, didn't see any copy of Nimolee before Mars found some. I bought it from him of course. I guess that he still have a copy for sale.

As for the criteria, I think that the rules have to be some kind of improvement of the OD&D basic rules. That we can see the structure of D&D behind the rules of this game.
Nimolee is itself presented as a variant of D&D, but a "better" D&D IIRC.

The Nimolee book is a 3rd edition 1982.   I'd have to check my notes but the earlier version dates back to the 70s.  It was mentioned on Mathias' Afterglow site which is where it got added to my list.  I'm not sure if I have an extra copy still around or not - the webpage needs a good update.  A copy did get resold to NK at one point but I'm not sure if that copy has been sold again or not.

The premise was to try and take the D&D rules and try and make them more realistic.  The book is one of my favourites and includes a good list of RPG related articles from around that time and some essays.

I don't think the earlier versions were published as "formally" as the 3rd Ed.  There are some articles in A&E or Wild Hunt about Nimolee so the author was in contact with some others as it was developed.  It seems likely that a few early copies were probably passed around but I was only able to get the 3rd ed.

By the way, there is another OD&Desque RPG that we forgot to mention, it's "Wizard's world" published in 1985:

http://www.nobleknight.com/ProductDetailSearch.asp_Q_ProductID_E_1569704477_A_InventoryID_E_2147663944

Fortunately, i own this last one, even in scanned format  

Anyone interested  to exchange this for the "apparently impossible to find online copy" of  WPG?