Keith the Thief wrote:So this will be the third (or fourth) set of rules changes for D&D since 1999?
sauromatian wrote:Edit: On second thought, the way the editions are split up makes all the difference. Defining them more inclusively leads to this longevity ranking:OD&D + Holmes 7 yearsClassic 13 yearsAD&D1 12 yearsAD&D2 11 yearsD&D3 8 yearsD&D4 2 years & counting
Xaxaxe wrote:The "source" is a group of people saying this will happen ... um ... just because, I guess. Not a scintilla of evidence; not even a random quote.I'm not seeing it. Essentials and 4e seem to be complimentary, not competitive, lines.
FormCritic wrote:http://newbiedm.com/2010/07/27/regardin ... 4e-rumors/One perspective.
ExTSR wrote:But they can't do that here; if they cede the hobby market they never get it back. I get the feeling that it's what THEY decided would be kewl -- not what the CUSTOMERS think is kewl. Wups.
ExTSR wrote:Still digesting the data on this.Hasbro bought CCGs and D&D.If something bottoms out they don't sell the line (unless someone is stupid enough to pay their price); they archive & revive later.But they can't do that here; if they cede the hobby market they never get it back. So they have to keep D&D active. But the ROI is below target, not a Loser but not making enough. So what do they do? Well, they get nervous. The rest is tba.I looked over the new Redbox. Slick... but offputting thereby. The glossy paper sucks for making notes in pencil. In the rewrite of the Intro stuff (remember my original?), some idiot wasn't smart enough to learn from it. They left out some of the elements that I had incorporated (and I'm not talking game details; learning tools, psychological hooks, all that). So it works but I'm less than impressed. I get the feeling that it's what THEY decided would be kewl -- not what the CUSTOMERS think is kewl. Wups.As I said I'm still digesting. Most of the 4e crashed at the auction, either kinda or bigtime, depending on the product & time slot. Now that might NOT be a true market indicator because the kids who love 4e don't go to GenCon.. and those who go to the con don't play 4e (unless they're railroaded by RPGA events).Hm. Things to think about.F
JasonZavoda wrote:Pathfinder is the new D&D
ExTSR wrote:I agree that 4e ain't what it should be; that much is obvious. Encounters and Essentials and RedBox and DarkSun are new and will sell. I don't think they'll dare 4.5 but I do think they'll try other marketing avenues. If they can hit big with ANY of these it can rejuvenate 4e rulebook sales, at least to clear the backlog in the warehouse.Disagree (strongly), tho it IS the new 3.5F
JasonZavoda wrote:Pathfinder has taken on a life of its own while wotc has definitely dropped the ball. I never did follow D&D past the introduction of AD&D but I do not see any RPG repeating the success of D&D and AD&D back in the 70's and 80's but in this sad 21st century niche of pen and paper RPGs Pathfinder has creativity and interest that should have gone to WOTC. I think Pathfinder (whether it is merely 3.5 or not) is the mainstream and 4e is definitely in second place. I can see a store owner making a profit selling and stocking Pathfinder, but making only a marginal profit on 4e, and that is not the hallmark of D&D. D&D is the mainstream, and that is Pathfinder, while 4e is a strange red-headed stepchild.
ExTSR wrote:I looked over the new Redbox. Slick... but offputting thereby. The glossy paper sucks for making notes in pencil. In the rewrite of the Intro stuff (remember my original?), some idiot wasn't smart enough to learn from it. They left out some of the elements that I had incorporated (and I'm not talking game details; learning tools, psychological hooks, all that). So it works but I'm less than impressed. I get the feeling that it's what THEY decided would be kewl -- not what the CUSTOMERS think is kewl. Wups.F