mbassoc2003 wrote:The number of authors and publishers that understand the difference between a marketable product, a good marketable product and a great marketable product, are few and far between. Often they go on to become great well known publishing houses or authors (or both, take Bill Webb for example).

Interesting that you invoke Bill Webb as a counterexample to the retro-clones, because the game Bill plays at home is ...............

.............wait for it ...........

Swords & Wizardry.  

ExTSR wrote:Ah yes, that one.
Reasonably good Fanwork.
But I've always been a bit insulted that the author didn't bother to spell my name right.
And never bothered to correct it, either.

Quick note on that, IIRC, Jason Vey (not the author of the Musings- that's Jason CONE) created his files by copying from author's HTML pages, and only later checked to make sure it was okay by the author. EDIT: Jason checked first - my bad. I don't mean this as a complaint about Jason Vey, but it explains (a) why there was a typo - what you see is just from Jason Cone's original raw typing, and (b) why it wasn't corrected by the author - the author can't change files someone else has.

The confusion comes, probably, from the two guys having the same first name.[/b]

You would suspect, anyone sufficiently interested in writing about D&D, would know how to spell Mentzer, Gygax and Arneson.

ashmire13 wrote:You would suspect, anyone sufficiently interested in writing about D&D, would know how to spell Mentzer, Gygax and Arneson.

I would have thought so, too, until I followed the EO Art Print thread for a while, and noticed how many times people here misspelled his last name...

EDIT to correct my spelling of "misspelled". No, I'm not kidding.

Mythmere1 wrote:
Quick note on that, IIRC, Jason Vey (not the author of the Musings- that's Jason CONE) created his files by copying from author's HTML pages, and only later checked to make sure it was okay by the author. I don't mean this as a complaint about Jason Vey, but it explains (a) why there was a typo - what you see is just from Jason Cone's original raw typing, and (b) why it wasn't corrected by the author - the author can't change files someone else has.

The confusion comes, probably, from the two guys having the same first name.

Actually, I did ask Philotomy's permission BEFORE posting it to my website. I originally PDFed it just for my own use, but it came out nicely enough that I asked him if he'd mind if I made it available.  He at first said no because he had something else in mind for it, and as such I did not make it available.

Later, he got back to me and told me that he was fine with me putting it up there as his other plans had fallen through, which is when it became publicly available.

Just to clarify.

However, yes, your point stands that I didn't do any editing, proofing, or revision to Philotomy's content at all, since I didn't feel it would be right to do so.  In this case, however, I've gone ahead and fixed the typo the moment it came to my attention.

No harm done, and thank you.

I think I'm so happy to have OSRIC in circulation that I may have taken umbrage at simply finding such a fiddling little but annoying flaw in a great product.



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Just out of curiosity, do you need the C&C rulesbooks for use of the C&C modules, or is it straightforward enough to use with AD&D (for instance)?

Or should the Quick Rules be enough at a push?

ashmire13 wrote:Just out of curiosity, do you need the C&C rulesbooks for use of the C&C modules, or is it straightforward enough to use with AD&D (for instance)?

Or should the Quick Rules be enough at a push?

I think the modules would adapt easily.
C&C uses AAC, for a simple d20 "to hit" roll
(plus modifiers).
And I think C&C uses Law, Neutral, Chaos alignment,
but I always thought alignment was unnecessary, so that
wouldn't affect things too much.

C&C adapted all the classic D&D monsters that they could,
except for critters like the Beholdler that WoTC owns.

I can't remember about spells off hand, but
I do remember they were very similar to the
ones we know and love/hate

Thanks

ashmire13 wrote:Thats cool, thanks. Managed to locate the Quick rules anyway, just in case. Will take a look for some mods when I get chance.

still not moving on from 1st ed yet...

It's a solid system, meant to fast-paced.
Seems to work.

One advantage is that they have rule books in print vice 30-year-old books you have to buy on eBay.  

At first level, Magic-Users get 4 cantrips and two 1st level spells.
And characters do have the 9 alignments to choose from.
TLG makes some good quality stuff, although I got discouraged a couple of years ago over the Castle Zygag material.

I don't have a stake in their business,
but I really do wish them success.