Kingofpain89 wrote:If you do the premium subscription for $125, you get all of the .pdf's as they come out and a signed, numbered hardcover when all is said and done.

If you dont want the hardcover, you can pay $89.99 for just the .pdf's.

If you dont want the .pdf's you can wait until they have finished with the subscriptions and then you will be able to buy the hardcover by itself for $169.99.  Only it will not contain the extra content and wont be signed and numbered.

This is all there on Frog God Games product page.  If you want the hardcover for $125 you have to purchase the .pdf package thru Frog God Games.

I'd probably put together enough for a $125 800page hardcover, because that sounds a bit special.

Maybe the guys will post here just to clarify a few points? So if I buy the .pdf collection over the (however long), I get the hardcover copy for shipping? Now thats sounds ok at the moment.

EDIT - Having read through their pages again, I'm still not 100% clear on one thing.

If I buy the $2 starter and then $9.99 a month for the .pdf, do I then get the Hardcover (signed or not isn't an issue) for the shipping cost, no estra to pay?

Or do I HAVE to hit the $125 at the start? If it's $9.99 a month, I think I'm in  

I know that this probably won't help but I'll post it anyway.

Only the subscriptions get the hardcover limited edition; signed and numbered by me and Greg. Extra hardcovers are still $125 each. Ping me if you want several and maybe we can work something out.

If there are extras (yes I am printing several extras) they will go to the first "X" people that order all of the loose chapters DIRECTLY FROM MY WEBSITE (not DTRPG, not at Paizo, just from me). After that, the hardcovers are going to cost a lot more, since printing 1 costs a fortune and printing 200-300 costs a lot less per unit. I am going to discontinue the $125 soon.

Pdfs are sold 3 ways (me, paizo, dtrpg). POD softcovers of each chapter will be sold at DTRPG for about 12 or 13 bucks for each chapter.

This was posted by Bill Webb over in the Slumbering Tsar thread.  It states that the people who subscribe will get a hardback.  It states just below that that the people who purchase the .pdf's piecemeal (not the one time $89.99 deal) will be able to purchase a hardback (doesnt say for how much).  Anyone not subscribing or puchasing the .pdf's by chapter can purchase any remaining hardbacks for $169.99.

And Ian, it clearly states that POD books will be available soon through DriveThru RPG.

If you have questions, why not email the man directly at [email protected].  Seemed to work for Paul.  I can't imagine the guy has time to visit every thread about the project on every website that covers RPG's.

ashmire13 wrote:Cheers King, I'll drop him a note  

And then get back to us with the clarification?

That's a shame.

I'd be up for buying the PDFs month by month, but not if I'd then be excluded from the Hardcover with the 'bonus' chapter. Having an 'incomplete' hardcover edition and pricing it at $170 seems to be counter productive. It will always be seen as 'incomplete' if it doesn't have all the published materials in it, and the idea of charging a premium for a truncated product stikes me as bad business. Or at the very leasy, a way of generating bad will.

If people can affort the $130+ to buy the PDFs in monthly installments, that brings in an income stream. The idea of penalising these buyers and subscribers for their loyalty by not giving them a signed edition with the bonus chapter seems to be quite a blow. Who would want to spend $130 or even $170 to get a second rate product? The whole 'bonus chapter' marks out the rest of the product line as second rate and incomplete. It's not good to mark your prime product as second rate before you even launch it, and I don't see most people shelling out that sort of money for something they know is not complete.

Lets face it, we wouldn't be paying $200+ for Ptolus if we knew there were 500 copies with an additional chapter. We'd be paying $80 and only shell out $200 for the whole product.

I imagine somewhere over the intervening 12 months, one or other primary in FLG will realise the problem they are building. Withholding materials from people with money has gotta be the most rediculous business decision I've ever heard of. It will be reversed, or the public release without the full gamut will be selling at the $80 price point.

If you're gonna reward early birds with anything and not shoot your business sales in the foot, the only way to do it is with a signature and a special cover, a presentation bex and a bound in ribbon. Preferental access to exclusive material markes the whole other edition as second rate. That's not what you want to do to a $170 product.

Barring a few cents, the individual PDFs which is what I'm buying is $132. So I'd be paying more than the $125, and if that results in getting a Hardcover that omits the additional material, it's a less desirable, lower value, incomplete product. I don't get the $101?

I can't believe the authors will shaft the buyers of the individual PDFs and consider them to be unworthy of the full product. That's just insane business practice to take maoney and then shaft the buyer at the end. So I think we've got this wrong. I can't see the guys at FGG trating people who buy the PDFs each month differently from those who buy them at $125. We're all gonna have to wait a year to get the full set of PDFs anyhow.

But it's not exactly clear, is it?

Also, the product page doesn't mention anything about a bonus chapter, so unless you've been priveliged to read an online discussion, if you buy from the site using anything other than the $125 option, there's nothing saying you'll be getting a product that is different from the one the $125 bunch gets. The site quite specificly dresses them up and makes out that they're the same product.

If they do ship differend or bonus materials, that's pretty devious seeing as they're saying it's the same product on their website.

Does anyone know for sure what the real deal is? Or are we just going on comment on forums? And are they gonne tell customers what's what on their website if the story on the forum is different from the story on the shopfront?

There's a lot confusion and misleading sales info being spread about. Maybe someone at FGG will make sure everyone is singing from the same songsheet and buyers get accurate information from the site.

mbassoc2003 wrote:Barring a few cents, the individual PDFs which is what I'm buying is $132. So I'd be paying more than the $125, and if that results in getting a Hardcover that omits the additional material, it's a less desirable, lower value, incomplete product. I don't get the $101?

I can't believe the authors will shaft the buyers of the individual PDFs and consider them to be unworthy of the full product. That's just insane business practice to take maoney and then shaft the buyer at the end. So I think we've got this wrong. I can't see the guys at FGG trating people who buy the PDFs each month differently from those who buy them at $125. We're all gonna have to wait a year to get the full set of PDFs anyhow.

But it's not exactly clear, is it?

Also, the product page doesn't mention anything about a bonus chapter, so unless you've been priveliged to read an online discussion, if you buy from the site using anything other than the $125 option, there's nothing saying you'll be getting a product that is different from the one the $125 bunch gets. The site quite specificly dresses them up and makes out that they're the same product.

If they do ship differend or bonus materials, that's pretty devious seeing as they're saying it's the same product on their website.

Does anyone know for sure what the real deal is? Or are we just going on comment on forums? And are they gonne tell customers what's what on their website if the story on the forum is different from the story on the shopfront?

There's a lot confusion and misleading sales info being spread about. Maybe someone at FGG will make sure everyone is singing from the same songsheet and buyers get accurate information from the site.

mbassoc,

My apologies concerning the PDFs month-by-month total, in my haste I left three PDFs out of my calculations. You are correct: $131.87 USD  

My notation of the full PDF package at $89.00 USD is correct:

http://talesofthefroggod.com/products.html

The premier full subscription is $125.00 USD (LE hardcover, plus 14 PDFs), $6.87 USD less than the month-by-month method.

As for information regarding the limited edition and subscriptions, Bill Webb and Greg have been quite forthcoming.

Please see on TotF's homepage, under 'News!' the subscription program.

http://talesofthefroggod.com/index.html

Greg's post on page 1 of this thread:  particularly page 1, paragraph 6 concerning subscriptions.

Also, Bill Webb's posts (user name: tsathogga) here:

about10246-0.html

He mentions the bonuses in his second post, page 1.  

It is quite straightforward.

Best,

Paul

p.s. Bill's post above helps as well.

I think thats my route too. I was getting confused over the term 'subscription'. To me & the UK, if you subscribe to something, you commit a monthly/quarterly amount for a length of time. The $125 is a one off payment, that to me is a purchase.
But thanks for clearing it up, I'll do the necessary now  

On that basis, Part 1 & 2 purchased and downloading...  

Part 3 (pdf) is due out today, though it doesn't seem to be up on the site just yet.