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Post Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2004 10:49 pm 
 

That is a solid point.

I used my Player's Handbook from 1979 through the late 80's constantly. My Monster Manual and DMG got much the same use. There was a period of time that lasted about five years when we played almost daily. And if it wasn't play, it was adventure creation time. All of those books are still quite usable today. The PHB shows the most wear, but crap, it went more than 10 years of solid use.

I doubt later books would hold up as well. That stuff generated in the early 90s seems to be the worst. Even modules and the like are lacking in quality production.


And I could've bought these damn modules off the 1$ rack!!!

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Post Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2004 11:10 pm 
 

bbarsh wrote:That is a solid point.

I used my Player's Handbook from 1979 through the late 80's constantly. My Monster Manual and DMG got much the same use. There was a period of time that lasted about five years when we played almost daily. And if it wasn't play, it was adventure creation time. All of those books are still quite usable today. The PHB shows the most wear, but crap, it went more than 10 years of solid use.

I doubt later books would hold up as well. That stuff generated in the early 90s seems to be the worst. Even modules and the like are lacking in quality production.


I had an honest to god That 70's Show flashback after your post....gaming almost daily....man, do I remember those days, the summer of '79 when we first discovered D&D that May.  My parents, and the parents of my two best friends, were starting to look at us really squirrelly towards August or so..."Don't you boys want to play outside?  You've been sitting at the gameroom table for 10 hours now!  Is that the Devil on the cover of that book? We notice you boys never seem to talk to...well...girls.  What's a Tomb of Horrors?"  So we learned to switch off days at each other's houses to allay suspicions we were in an evil cult, all the while I was working feverishly until two in the morning adding more levels to The Moathouse in T1....
   That spring/summer we started with B1 In Search of the Unknown, which led to T1 Village of Hommlet, then some Judge's Guild modules,  to the Giants series, and finished those up when school started that fall.  I don't think we went two days in a row without playing, and I'm pretty sure we managed around 40-50 hours a week, at least.  I was actually playing in one group and DMing another the entire time!  Whatever the orignal rulebooks cost, we got our money's worth for sure.

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Post Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2004 2:37 am 
 

Sad to say, my mother would pick us and some friends up Friday afternoon (parents were divorced), and we would literally game until Sunday afternoon, falling asleep on the huge sectional couch. She'd bring us food, drinks, etc. Never questioned it. She was just happy to have us there.
You know, the one thing that can be said about D&D is that it is probably the only game ever invented that has such potential to become an obsession for so many. Personally I think it is because it is open-ended, and the game theoretically could never end. And, it is whatever you want it to be. No strict rules.
Besides, everyone at some point in life fantasizes about being a huge warrior or ultra-powerful mage, etc.


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Post Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2004 8:39 am 
 

Deadlord36 wrote:Sad to say, my mother would pick us and some friends up Friday afternoon (parents were divorced), and we would literally game until Sunday afternoon, falling asleep on the huge sectional couch. She'd bring us food, drinks, etc. Never questioned it. She was just happy to have us there.
You know, the one thing that can be said about D&D is that it is probably the only game ever invented that has such potential to become an obsession for so many. Personally I think it is because it is open-ended, and the game theoretically could never end. And, it is whatever you want it to be. No strict rules.
Besides, everyone at some point in life fantasizes about being a huge warrior or ultra-powerful mage, etc.


We had weekends like that, I think our record was 33 hours uninterrupted.  Amazing how sleep deprivation can affect the quality of your role playing in interesting ways.  At one point the DM had to pull a "it was all a dream" Dallas move in order to restore the campaign.

Mind you this was a very vibrant high-level campaign that I joined late, having never played AD&D before.  I had a human 15th level fighter, and it began something like this...

Me: So, where are we going?
Other player: Through that gate.  My anti-paladin psionisist has had it with Iuz, we're going to take him out for good.
DM: Ok, speak in character, guys.
Me: *ahem* What's an Iuz?
DM: They've all gone through, you can't talk to them anymore.  Do you go through the gate?  It's closing soon.
Me: Sure, I go through too.

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Post Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2004 8:42 am 
 

We were the same way. I think we played at least 5 days a week in the Summer, but usually in the a.m. or p.m. We, played alot of baseball back then...

I think the gaming obsession can be attributed to other games, also. We used to play Star Fleet Battles every Sunday for about two and half years. We used Federation and Empire to fight the entire General War, then fought each battle using SFB. Now that was true gaming geekdom, but awesome. (Sorry, if you never played SFB)

Still, gaming kept us out of trouble, in general. So I don't think any of our parents were that concerned...


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Post Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2004 1:02 pm 
 

bbarsh wrote:We were the same way. I think we played at least 5 days a week in the Summer, but usually in the a.m. or p.m. We, played alot of baseball back then...

I think the gaming obsession can be attributed to other games, also. We used to play Star Fleet Battles every Sunday for about two and half years. We used Federation and Empire to fight the entire General War, then fought each battle using SFB. Now that was true gaming geekdom, but awesome. (Sorry, if you never played SFB)

Still, gaming kept us out of trouble, in general. So I don't think any of our parents were that concerned...


Maybe we should start a new thread called "Glory Days".  When was Starfleet Battles originally released?  I remember some other friends playing that and looking down on us for playing D&D, like being uber-Trekkies was so much cooler than being D&D junkies... :) Then there was the Squad Leader guys. We had this big, fat, genius guy (known affectionately as "Papa Squad Leader") who sat with us in the cafeteria and brought his box every day so he and some other wargamers could run short scenarios.  When myself and my buddies stopped paying attention and turned to D&D, he would give us looks like a disapproving parent and tell us we were losing a chance to miss out on learning history because of a "Make believe game"....like he and his friends were really fighting WWII every lunch break.  
  But like you said, I think most of our parents were just happy we weren't smoking dope, drinking booze and impregnating girls when we were 15-17 to worry about a game whose worst effect seemed to be we stayed in the gameroom or dining room all day rolling dice.

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Post Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 5:26 am 
 

I am amending my long standing opinion that the Monstrous Compendium's are the "Worst D&D product ever".

I am now giving that honor over to the Player's and Dungeon Master's Survival Kits for the Mystara Campaign Setting.  What complete pieces of crap.  

Worthless garbage . . .

Completely unusable . . .


I still can not figure out what exactly their purpose is?


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Post Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 8:39 am 
 

The Wilderness Survival Guide and in an unsurprising tie, the Dungeoneer's Survival Guide.

Coming up second, everything ever created after 1st edition AD&D.

  


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Post Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 8:52 am 
 

It's a hard choice, but I think nothing can be deemed worse than the Player's Screens.

A special mention goes to the two "special ink" modules (Blizzard Pass and Maze of the Riddling Minotaur), for losing their usability after a single use.

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Post Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 9:44 am 
 

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I did not like that compendium for a few reasons, and one not mentioned would be the use of white. Yes, you read that correctly. With the white binder cover and white pages it started to look dirty after one gaming session. I don't mind the used look (You should see my DM's guide), but dirty? Yuck!

As for the oft hated DL series.... I never played those mods like I was supposed to. I'm the DM, my world, my game. Savvy? I used the maps for various other adventures. The floating tomb is so damn kick ass! I used the concept of "outer realm" dragon men invaders for one campaign, and the players loved it.

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Post Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 9:56 am 
 

guerret wrote:A special mention goes to the two "special ink" modules (Blizzard Pass and Maze of the Riddling Minotaur), for losing their usability after a single use.


And two other facts: if you lost the special pen they were unusable even when new; and after a few years, even a new/shrink'd copy was no longer usable (chemical deterioration).

  


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Post Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 10:03 am 
 

Zippanthropus wrote:Am I the only geek who checks this site like 10 times a day?


no.  :lol:

  


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Post Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 10:04 am 
 

I got use out of the Lankhamr books bc I had already created a world around it's mythos from Deites.

That said, I'd like to add the class supplement books...retch

  

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Post Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 10:12 am 
 

red_bus wrote:
Zippanthropus wrote:Am I the only geek who checks this site like 10 times a day?


no.  :lol:


that's like saying "am I the only geek who searches/watches ebay 100 times a day"  :D

  

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Post Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 10:35 am 
 

Zippanthropus wrote:Am I the only geek who checks this site like 10 times a day?


No.  8)

  


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Post Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 10:44 am 
 

Lordan wrote:
red_bus wrote:
no.  :lol:


that's like saying "am I the only geek who searches/watches ebay 100 times a day"  :D


I don't.... It hurts too much to see so much that I want and not have the money for it. Anyone try not eating so you would have money for games? I think that's my next step. Does anyone want to buy my damn m:tg cards?

  


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Post Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 10:54 am 
 

Zippanthropus wrote:I don't.... It hurts too much to see so much that I want and not have the money for it. Anyone try not eating so you would have money for games? I think that's my next step.


Boy, have I been there.

  


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Post Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 11:06 am 
 

Lordan wrote:
red_bus wrote:
no.  :lol:


that's like saying "am I the only geek who searches/watches ebay 100 times a day"  :D


sad but true.  :roll:

Besides I eat too much expensive (unhealthy) food anyway - rice and beans here we come!

  

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Post Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 11:17 am 
 

Fortunately I have a wife you lets me pretty much buy what I like as long as I pay the $700+ a month for her horses board/supps/shoeing/etc ( and of course the "normal" bills ). Good thing I don't really need  copies( or more copies ) of most rare things so there's not many $1000+ paypal payments....doubt she would be to happy on that  8O

  


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Post Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 11:30 am 
 

I missed this thread the first time around.....I have to say, I just can't figure out the binders. It's hard to believe that something as poorly constructed as these ever passed muster in R&D....

My least favourite product is NOT the dragonlance stuff....those mods were AWESOME when it came to screwing with the players!

"OK, Sturm, you die at the end of this one, you know that right?"
"What? What do you mean?"
"Well, that's what happens in the book."
"But this is the game!"
"Sorry, dude, better luck next time."
"Geez...well, can I play somebody else after this, then? How 'bout the dwarf?"
"Sorry, no man, you're dead."
"But nobody is playing the dwarf. Nobody ever plays the dwarf..."
"No."
"But!"
"That's it. You're dead. You can watch, though. And the pretzel bowl could use a refill. Thanks man. You're a sport."

DL was good for about three of those! But the best part was making the guy who played Gilthanas make out with the dragon in the stream.

I find it hard to hate any product from the good ol' days, but the RA Salvatore novels and the whole cliquey grunge stupid ass trenchcoat mafia double scimitar drow ranger thing still rots my balls.


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