bclarkie wrote:No worries about me throwing out any books.  The only way I could bring myself to throw out a D&D book is if it has some irremovable bodily fluid such as the 3 Ps.  I was going to be witty and say that if someone gave me a 3rd edition D&D book, I would throw it out, but that wouldn't count because thats not really a D&D book anyway.

  OK...I'll take the bait.

    You guys sound like your fathers.

Mark  

I never had a problem of OA falling apart. UA, not enough duck-tape to hold that mother together. I found that OE to be poorly written, but I love UA.

deimos3428 wrote:

Zippanthropus wrote:I never had a problem of OA falling apart. UA, not enough duck-tape to hold that mother together. I found that OE to be poorly written, but I love UA.

My OA is in fairly pristine condition.  (That's a new one for the eBay listings -- "fairly pristine" = "not falling apart".)  I bought it just to complete my orange spines.  UA tends to suffer more because it was actually used.

We have a "Frankenstein" OA with two 1/4" bolts holding the pages into the cover

seriously

My OA is fine, aside from it being *upside down/back to front* in the binding.

I just found one of Talisman boards though has mild dew on it  (have to try to figure out how to deal with that when I'm back in the UK :/).

Xaxaxe wrote:

red_dawn wrote:Deities & Demigods

Wow, that surprises me. I always thought that Deities was a great product — there was lots of cool artwork, some educational stuff about some religions I knew nothing about, and, of course, lots of bitchin' power-gaming stats. And, remember, the edition with the Cthulhu and Elric listings is really Super-Mondo-Way-Rare ... you can get, like, $1,000 for one. It was "banned," you know ...

But your point about the runaway munchkin-ism is dead-on. That book just seemed to bring out the worst in everyone (bitch-slapping Elric and getting my hands on an official AD&D version of Stormbringer was one of my goals). I would argue that that sort of rampant power-gaming was more of a reflection on the players rather than the book, though. YMMV, of course.

OK, I was being a bit dramatic. The DDG isn't completely without merit. The art work is excellent, and the Ability Stat tables beyond 18 were helpful. I have to admit that it is still part of my collection.  

But the powergaming blame rests squarely on TSR... and yes, maybe Gygax with the set-piece Lolth fight (as MShipley88 pointed out) -- though I feel that's a special case, since that was the culmination of the A, G, & D series modules; an epic campaign surely.

With the average deity description in the DDG being virtually all combat stats, TSR was giving official sanction to said power-gaming. It was left to the DM to block this move, and to fill out the paltry clergy info in the DDG appendix.

OK, DDG isn't the worst AD&D product... but it set a poor precedent. From a roleplay perspective, the 2nd edition Legends & Lore was much more useful.

sheeadog wrote:

Zippanthropus wrote:
Am I the only geek who checks this site like 10 times a day?

Nope... I check it about 10 times a day myself!

Wish I could cut down to ten  

killjoy32 wrote:i check about 50+ times  

And post on 49 of those occasions.

Kidding, kidding! All in good-natured fun ...

Wake up. S, S & S. Get coffee. Check Acaeum. Wake up kids...everything begins to go south from there.

ExTSR wrote:Re-reading some old posts, looks like BadMike doesn't care for my work.

'sall right. I don't write to please everyone; that way lies madness.


Somebody else liked DL for the 'first 3d dungeon views, 'way kewl'...

Sorry; that was my idea, in R1 Falx; Steve Sullivan did the maps, at my direction. 3d was used thereafter in many products.

Your stuff was very good!!