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Post Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 5:15 pm 
 

johnhuck wrote:B1 Mono UK version comes with the last page 31-32 twice.  Once in the booklet.  And once as a separate sheet.  I have three separate copies with this sheet.  One of which I bought from new.  So, they were not photocopied at a later date.

*nods*. Definitely original and not a photocopy, John. Good spot.
(Possibly /slightly/ lighter-colored paper stock(?), but otherwise the same printing).

I wonder how often this is missing from UK copies of B1, especially those in lower grades.
(But then, by comparison, the Reference Sheets in the OD&D box currently have a value of /zero/ for goodness-knows what reason!).

  


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Post Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 6:02 pm 
 

harami2000 wrote:
johnhuck wrote:B1 Mono UK version comes with the last page 31-32 twice.  Once in the booklet.  And once as a separate sheet.  I have three separate copies with this sheet.  One of which I bought from new.  So, they were not photocopied at a later date.

*nods*. Definitely original and not a photocopy, John. Good spot.
(Possibly /slightly/ lighter-colored paper stock(?), but otherwise the same printing).

I wonder how often this is missing from UK copies of B1, especially those in lower grades.
(But then, by comparison, the Reference Sheets in the OD&D box currently have a value of /zero/ for goodness-knows what reason!).


It was actually your win which alerted me to it:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... 5927413171

The sheet is clearly visible in this photo.  So, I checked my original B1 to see if the sheet was perforated and realised there was an extra copy.  I then checked my GW boxed set.  Same story.  And I just acquired another set in better condition.  And the same story here.

So, can I suggest that if you have a B1 UK mono or the GW boxed set without this sheet, it is incomplete!  :cry:

  


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Post Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 3:42 pm 
 

harami2000 wrote:Had a word with the eBay store vendor who was stuck with those last eleven mint copies of Strategic Review #3 and they mentioned that these had been obtained by the previous owner from a GenCon auction.
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Anyone else seen these "in bulk"?

*g*. Was right about SR #3.

In addition to the above eleven, at least four more NM copies from a single vendor:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 5933377214
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 5931856598
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 5933773039
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 5931512594

No idea why it's just that particular issue...

  

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Post Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 10:11 pm 
 

Yes, Harami.

As you can see from the links you posted I was able to obtained two of the four that you indicated. I have them now and I think that they are actually in mint condition.

  


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Post Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2004 12:05 pm 
 

Here we see another one (see my previous post):

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... 5938421032

  


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Post Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 3:07 pm 
 

I hadn't pointed this out before.  But the cover 1st printing of the UK Basic rulebook appears to be much glossier than the 2nd printing.  The 2nd printing has a rougher finish and looks almost as if it has been covered in very thin tracing/greasproof paper.  And it's not mentioned in the listing on this site.

You can sort of make out what I mean in the images:
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Can any of the other people with both printings confirm this?

  

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Post Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 4:40 pm 
 

My copies are the same as yours.
1st print nice and glossy
2nd print dull and hazy

  


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Post Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 4:36 pm 
 

All idol cover PHBs up to and including 6th print with orange endpapers have a final catalogue page with the heading: Other Swords & Sorcery, Fantasy, and Science Fiction Titles from TSR.

From the 6th print with white end papers onward, the heading now reads: Other Fantasy and Science Fiction Titles from TSR.

I was looking over my PHBs today and noticed that one is a stated 6th printing with white endpapers and catalogue page heading: Other Swords & Sorcery, Fantasy, and Science Fiction Titles from TSR.

Thought you should know.

  


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Post Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 4:56 pm 
 

To further my advacement in geekhood, I've begun counting the stitches in my PHBs.

All printings are per Acaeum designations.

true 1st-  I d'ont have one.
1st- 31 stitches
2nd- 17 stitches
3rd- 17 stitches
4th- 17 stitches
5th -11 stitches
6th- I have two, one =11 stitches, the other= 17 stitches
7th- 9 stitches
8th(and beyond I presume)- 0 stitches

The PHB that I mentioned in the above post has 13 stitches.

  

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Post Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 1:46 am 
 

I will mention this again, since this seems to be a similar topic:

   My early print of the PHB for 1st edition AD&D has a lighter colored green ink on it than the slightly later prints.  

   The slightly later prints had darker ink and a glossy finish that looks markedly different than the earlier print.

    Anyone else notice that?    :?

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Post Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 1:52 am 
 

Good old Woodies..

Could the differences in print editions for 3rd+, 4th minus, 4th et al be partly accounted for by the fact that TSR had a christmas special in December 1975 of Books 1 & 2 (for the original boxed set): $2 each  8O or 2 for $4 :roll:
An advert is listed in SR #5, and it specifically mentions that people should buy to replace their existing copies as these are the ones which are used more and thus wear out quicker.

This may also help explain why the first 2 sometimes don't appear to be the same as the 3rd book ie colouring, slightly different texture..

In the grand scheme probably doesn't mean much and would be very hard to confirm when obtaining copies of the sets.

Thought it would be interesting to speculate.

  


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Post Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 4:15 pm 
 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... %3AIT&rd=1

I saw this auction and thought - " someone is very confused." A 236 page revised edition with yellow end papers? Turns out I was the confused one.
I wonder why I have never come across one before.

Coincidentally, within minutes, I was staring at this auction:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... %3AIT&rd=1

and thinking to myself - "that crease looks very familiar." So I bought it and it is a 236 page revised edition with yellow end papers.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... %3AIT&rd=1

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... %3AIT&rd=1

They can't be all that elusive though, with four popping up in the last week.

  


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Post Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 4:26 pm 
 

ifearyeti wrote:http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... %3AIT&rd=1

I saw this auction and thought - " someone is very confused." A 236 page revised edition with yellow end papers? Turns out I was the confused one.
I wonder why I have never come across one before.

Coincidentally, within minutes, I was staring at this auction:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... %3AIT&rd=1

and thinking to myself - "that crease looks very familiar." So I bought it and it is a 236 page revised edition with yellow end papers.


I saw that auction and it immediately caught my eye as well. The reason it causght my eye was the cover line.  I was thinkiung that it might actually been a 3rd beta. I saw the question that was asked and with the answer that the seller gave I just gave up on it being what I was hoping. I actually monitered it until the end and although I was bit surprised that it went for $20.00 I just chalked it up to some newbie bidding.  I guess my question is what about this is different?  Isn't it possible that it is just a 6th printing with the last 2 pages removed?


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Post Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 4:31 pm 
 

Opps, looks like my post was a little bit slow. That crease is actually present in a later printing DMG that I have that I am looking at right now. It is not quite as profound, but it is still there. My copy that I am holding right now has white flyleafs and endpapers though, not yellow. I don't know if it is so much as a crease as it is a part of the cover. I suspect that if you lookat any printing in the light the right way, you will see that crease in all of them. I will check some of my others to see if my suspicions are correct. I know that you have a bunch also so try looking at them in the light at an angle and see if you can see what I mean. :)


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Post Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 4:41 pm 
 

Looking back through all my books, I found one with a faint cover line in that place as well. 236 pages, white end papers, survey form i. e. seventh print. The one that I bought with 236 pages and yellow end papers also has the survey form i. e sixth print. The cover indentation is very pronounced. You can easily feel it with finger.

Does anyone have a DMG with survey forms and 238 numbered pages?

  


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Post Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 5:02 pm 
 

ifearyeti wrote:Looking back through all my books, I found one with a faint cover line in that place as well. 236 pages, white end papers, survey form i. e. seventh print. The one that I bought with 236 pages and yellow end papers also has the survey form i. e sixth print. The cover indentation is very pronounced. You can easily feel it with finger.

Does anyone have a DMG with survey forms and 238 numbered pages?

*sigh* Well, there goes my evening...I was planning on going out drinking, but if there's creases on DMGs to look for...  :lol:  Sad but true.

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Post Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:56 pm 
 

I actually monitered it until the end and although I was bit surprised that it went for $20.00 I just chalked it up to some newbie bidding.  I guess my question is what about this is different?  Isn't it possible that it is just a 6th printing with the last 2 pages removed?


Sure it's possible. The 6th and 7th printings have perforated pages. I can't see any stubs in my copies; the remainder of a perforated page that was removed. But it would be hard to say for a certainty that they weren't there. I am supposing that the 6th and 7th prints only had 236 pages and the 237,238 reference page wasn't included.

Being the print fiend for PHB, MM, DMG that I am, I now heartily regret not bidding more for that copy.

Incidentally, that is only the 2nd time that I have seen an e-Bay auction end in a tie. I wonder what the later bidder is thinking. I'll pay $20 for it, but I'll be damned if I'll pay 20.50.

  

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Post Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 10:19 pm 
 

*finds thread after some delving*

Somewhat belatedly; TSR Hex Sheet w/numbered (to "4439") small hex (~16mm) + "TSR HOBBIES" on one side and unnumbered larger hex (~22mm) on the other side (8002 code + Wizard Logo & "TSR GAMES").

I'd half-expected that to be coded 8003 on the small hex side, but not so.


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