aia wrote:

if this (  
** expired/removed eBay auction **
) is a first print, i wouldn't say that!  

Boot hill was originally available in a brown paper pamphlet, like the D&D books.  This one is considerably later.

Mark  

Ballots & Bullets, the TSR Personality Product. Front cover: far left background (on horse) is artist Larry Elmore; foreground left (goatee) is Will Niebling, TSR's VP Sales; next is a marketing exec (don't recall the name); then artist Jim Roslof (with rifle). On the back is Doug Blume (the good Blume, as opposed to the infamous Blumes).

Sure, that's a 1st printing of that particular module. It only had one printing, iirc.

I'm not aware of any Boot Hill websites. Old-timers seem to remember it fondly, but there are few players. There is an ongoing D&D/Boot Hill hybrid game described in the Campaign Journals on Dragonsfoot, and they have discussed the game in some threads in the "Other TSR Worlds" Forum.

Grodog is planning a new subforum covering TSR non-D&D RPGs/boardgames and that should have a Boot Hill section, and an entry for BH3 would be a good place for Frank's trivia to be recorded.

The only Boot Hill products I am aware of are:

1st Ed rules, ~1975, booklet as per original D&D booklets
2nd Ed rules, ~1978, box set similar to other TSR boxes, included rules, map and counters
Referees Screen and minimodule
BH1-BH5 modules. BH1-3 have Face Logo, BH5 has Angle Logo. Not sure about BH4, couldn't find a pic the other day (BH4 seems to be more rare on Ebay than the other modules)
3rd Ed rules, date?
some miniature sets
various articles in the Dragon

Someone else can fill in more printing info for these editions.

zhowar wrote:Grodog is planning a new subforum covering TSR non-D&D RPGs/boardgames and that should have a Boot Hill section, and an entry for BH3 would be a good place for Frank's trivia to be recorded.

Very cool.     It will be very nice to have detailed information on all of the early TSR boardgames and miniatures rules.  Now if I can only get my hands on a copy of Warriors of Mars without having to spend an entire paycheck on it.  

We used to play one-off Boot Hill games all the time, back in the day. Never a full on-going campaign. But it was easy to throw a scenario together just from the book. It usually involved a bank robbery and huge shootout to the last man. Also, I ran a Boot Hill game at last year's SoCal GenCon that went off great. I plan on running another one this year.

We also, back in the day, ran a Gamma World campaign. It didn't last too long, but seemed to have a fairly high mortality rate.

bclarkie wrote:Focus?  Whats focus?  

my focus is "oooh that looks cool"



Al

bclarkie wrote:

Hmm, sounds quite similar to my buying strategy.  I also have a bad tendancy to also say, "Hmmm that is much cheaper than it should be....I think I'll buy that too."

hmm yeha i suffer from that too.

and on specific items too, such as tegel manor...its a case of "well i have 6 why not have 7"  

ExTSR wrote:There are two distinctly different editions of the early rules, First and Second printings. Very few rules are different, tho. I know Brian was running a sporadic BH campaign when I arrived at TSR in January 1980. Of course the AD&D1e DMG has notes on tying BH into AD&D, but that was just to appease Brian, rather than any real interest on Gary's part. ;> The 3rd edition is the first boxed set, for which actual modules were done (gasp), again at Brian's insistence.

Ah... Boot Hill. You might be able to answer this, Frank. (Although anyone, please chime in! )

D'you whether anyone else has tried playing the original Boot Hill "scenario" ("The Owlhoot Trio", 1974, should be; although I may be missing earlier... ), fleshed out from the original publication?
The maps are all there, locale described, PCs/NPCs named (w/o stats, but w/some weapons), etc.
Just curious...

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p.s. Did I forget to say "nice inscriptions" y'picked-up recently?
Even if those might "damage the value" of the items.
(as if...)

Hey, whatever nomenclature works for the majority. (They can declare Pi equal to 3.0 for all I care.) Yes, it does make logical sense to stick to Editions and Printings within Editions (as long as you don't enshrine terms like 'third-minus' as permanent categories ;> ). And yes, that version does make serious attempts to flesh out the characters to make it more of a roleplaying game, though it does not notably decrease the incidence of lethality.

FITS also suffered from nomenclature when,as an excellent aerial wargame, it was retitled and crammed into the Roleplaying mode as Dawn Patrol. Very little was added and hobbyists still ignored that new craze (RPGing), sticking to good ol' wargaming like they always had. Few were fooled.

Gamma World kills characters willy nilly, and Jim Ward has never apologized for that; it's true old-school.