Add this buyer ID from the Netherlands to your blocked bidder/buyer list for feedback extortion. All this over about $13.00 US.

ionanthe


He buys a $5 auction - doesn't pay. I had to file an NPB and a full 9 days after the auction I finally get payment. But it doesn't stop there.

All is well until it gets delivered. Condition isn't a problem. He assumed it would have the map when it clearly wasn't in the auction description.

Buyer demands immediate resolution because it says MAP on back of the scanned picture. It's obvious he didn't bother reading the description.

Naturally, I offered full refund for the returned item. He says "No, go buy another one and send me the map." I refused, and again told him to return the item and I would refund the item cost + original shipping. Of course, I then get -FB. I highly doubt I'll be seeing any returned package from him in the mail. Real pleasant guy...

I don't appreciate that buyer's attitude but i really think he is in his right ! Argyrebasin, i have to tell you what some others may really think :

* it is up to the seller to state in its item description a part is missing : many sellers - the first being COUGARRINARD himself - DO NOT mention missing parts in their item description, hoping to sell them for a better price : this is AT BEST an unfair practice ; it is clearly as if they were "lying" about their description ...

* Please remind the Acaeum grading system describes an incomplete item at best as GOOD condition (as "mostly complete"), never above.


I think you are unforgivable because you belong to the Valuation Board  In case  i have made such a mistake - and in fact i did it once in the past - i would have (depending upon comparison between shipping fees vs. item price) :

* either ask the buyer to send the item back to me, with a full refund INCLUDING HIS RETURNING FEES (as the mistake was from the seller, the buyer has not to support any cost to send it back)
* or an instant full refund and "keep it, sorry ! "
* or to propose a partial refund (as a cost devaluation) based upon the condition difference (calculating formula for grading is also usable in that way, based on the final price of the item)

sorry but every time i'm bidding i would assume the item is complete if it is not clearly stated otherwise. If you have other rules, you must state them in your "about me" page, and/or something like "WYSIWYG !!!" in your items descriptions.I really think the norm is to describe what is missing : if you mention nothing, it is as if you try to lure buyers, and if you act like this, one day you would surely find your own eBay ID added in the "shady dealers" topic  

sellers who assume ALL their mistakes are always appreciated by their buyers. And in fact when i made such mistakes in the past, i have fully amended them with a full refund and "keep it also, with all my apologies", each time i got a +FB. And i'm not the sole one who did it : many other sellers here have acted this way : the ones who think their reputation is more important than their money ...

I know mistakes are the lot of humankind, but every time a seller make mistakes and in case the buyer is feeling f****d somewhere (costing him something, either money or to keep an incomplete item), every time the seller will get -FB.

Sorry, but also from me !  

This kind of mistakes explains half of Cougie's -FBs in the past ...
By the way, thanks for letting us know you don't mention missing parts in your item descriptions

Ya, in the end I think the buyer has a reason to be a bit miffed.  I'm sure most of us have gone through the same thing with buying D&D items.  Buy an item and find out later that the poster map is missing.  In most cases, the seller just doesn't know whether it should or should not be there.  For sellers with more expertise in the field, maybe we expect a bit more.

I do agree that the buyer did not handle it well at all and from the sounds of it was looking for a way to get out the transaction from the beginning.  He should be avoided.

In general though, I don't like the "return for refund" policy and find it a frustrating resolution.  Its a nice thought but if I spent $10 to buy an item find out it is incomplete - its generally not worth the time and effort and money to return it.  The buyer is out shipping costs and the seller is out shipping costs - the Post Office is the one who wins.

Lurker:

I'm not going to spend a lot of time responding to your post because most of your statements were already covered previously. Maybe there's a language gap?

However, I will respond to inflammatory comments like:

lurker_above wrote:I don't appreciate that buyer's attitude but i really think he is in his right ! Argyrebasin, i have to tell you what some others may really think :

True, Cougie does that. I don't. But thanks for the comparison.

* it is up to the seller to state in its item description a part is missing : many sellers - the first being COUGARRINARD himself - DO NOT mention missing parts in their item description, hoping to sell them for a better price : this is AT BEST an unfair practice ; it is clearly as if they were "lying" about their description ...

Oh please, have you bothered to look at eBay or amazon grading/condition guidelines? Far be it for customers or sellers to use those guidelines instead since that's where the business is transacting. There's nothing wrong with my descriptions. I stand by them and fix them when I'm wrong. Case in point, you missed the part about offering a full refund too.

* Please remind the Acaeum grading system describes an incomplete item at best as GOOD condition (as "mostly complete"), never above.

Again, thanks for the derogatory comments. Back at ya! I'm not fishing for complaints or criticism. I posted about a bad buyer experience. Take it or leave it.

I think you are unforgivable because you belong to the Valuation Board  In case  i have made such a mistake - and in fact i did it once in the past - i would have (depending upon comparison between shipping fees vs. item price) :

Ok, I just said I offered a refund per the ebay rules and the guy said "No, go buy another for me." Unacceptable - AND my return policy is clearly stated on each listing. The guy wasn't paying attention and obviously neither are you. Again.

* either ask the buyer to send the item back to me, with a full refund INCLUDING HIS RETURNING FEES (as the mistake was from the seller, the buyer has not to support any cost to send it back)
* or an instant full refund and "keep it, sorry ! "
* or to propose a partial refund (as a cost devaluation) based upon the condition difference (calculating formula for grading is also usable in that way, based on the final price of the item)

As I just said in my last post, details are important and I go to great length about what is or is not included. The questions button and ask a seller link are there for a reason. Humans make mistakes. Ask BEFORE you bid or don't bid. Simple. Shady dealers? I think your post belongs in the shady buyers and forum lurkers section.

sorry but every time i'm bidding i would assume the item is complete if it is not clearly stated otherwise. If you have other rules, you must state them in your "about me" page, and/or something like "WYSIWYG !!!" in your items descriptions.I really think the norm is to describe what is missing : if you mention nothing, it is as if you try to lure buyers, and if you act like this, one day you would surely find your own eBay ID added in the "shady dealers" topic  

I don't condone, respect, or want the business of anyone that tries to coerce me in an attempt to get more than a full refund of the cost of the sale & shipping.

sellers who assume ALL their mistakes are always appreciated by their buyers. And in fact when i made such mistakes in the past, i have fully amended them with a full refund and "keep it also, with all my apologies", each time i got a +FB. And i'm not the sole one who did it : many other sellers here have acted this way : the ones who think their reputation is more important than their money ...

I know mistakes are the lot of humankind, but every time a seller make mistakes and in case the buyer is feeling f****d somewhere (costing him something, either money or to keep an incomplete item), every time the seller will get -FB.

What's your ebay ID? I don't want to sell to you either.

Quit hiding behind an anonymous tag and tell us your seller ID. As long as you are being offensive, we might as well know who you really are. Fair is fair and you are a coward.

Sorry, but also from me !  

Really? If that's what you think then by all means keep thinking that way. It doesn't rank a response.
This kind of mistakes explains half of Cougie's -FBs in the past ...
By the way, thanks for letting us know you don't mention missing parts in your item descriptions

Lastly, no one cares about your selling policies. This isn't the "Hey, this is my store and this is what I do" thread. This is about shady buyers.. the guy was shady. I filed an NPB and almost didn't get paid. He contacted me about an error. Fine, no problem there. He tried extortion to get his way after being offered a refund. THAT is a problem. And for reporting him, I had to suffer through your snide remarks. Thanks but no thanks LURKER.

Lurker:

Quit pontificating. Go post in the appropriate thread if you want to talk about how you handle merch returns or your "biz".

lurker_above wrote:
This sentence prooves by itself you don't want to assume your mistakes
By the way, "lurker_above" is ONLY my Acaeum ID      

i recommend all buyers to add a '-argyrebasin" parameter to all of their eBay searchs.

Is this what you trully want ?

Please assume your mistakes and responsabilities as a seller : you may propose a partial refund to this buyer in exchange for a request for feedback reviewal and i'm sure your -FB will disappear. In case you refuse, you will remain a shady dealer for AT LEAST him ... and everyone who read your feedbacks and also this topic.

Regards.

[edit] the buyer is guilty, but also you are.

Well, this has certainly been interesting. As an update, I'm settling with the buyer this evening. I hope all goes well. Thankfully there aren't too many of these. 99% of the people in this hobby are top notch.

Don't let the trolls bother you.. just light em on fire. A flaming sword +2 does wonders. "Right Boo?" *squeak*

Troll Troll Troll.. begone foul retch lest the stink from your nether regions permeate our thread.  

[EDIT]
Happened to find this on another thread. Way to preach Lurker when, in fact, you're screwing your customers more thoroughly than anyone! You sir, are not worth my time. Good day.

lurker_above
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 11:33 pm        

Here in France i have a good advantage concerning national deals : as i am a Postal Main Officer i have sweared to always tell the truth and in the past each time i sent a copy of my Postal Main officer badge to Paypal they always have taken their decision in my favor, even when i provide no tracking # to my buyers; it is the same for a friend who is a policeman.

That's the standard deviation, so quit being mean.

Wow, that was random. Or, predicted.

Damn now its gone into math jokes... yeah, thread crapped and Charmined.

Kingofpain89 wrote:Swearing to tell the truth and actually doing it are significantly different.  

Kingofpain89, you're a pathetic idiot : i'm a computer scientist from my studies in Dijon, but my job is as a french postal service officer at Lyon. There is no special studies at the university to work for COLIPOSTE but as freight services here in France are automatized they need a computer scientist : i'm neither a guy who stamps letters nor a guy who sort packets. I'm piloting (verifying full functionnality of) automatized sorting machines, verifying all prehensive robots are taking great care of packages, and giving orders to workers when packets are damaged during shipment to repair them when they are bent/crushed, and will arrange special delivery for them.
You may find many workers in the world who made studies and whose work is very different. In case you think otherwise, you're wrong.

Yes, my main eBay ID is guydrin_avalon. But the sole screw here is dwarf (eBay ID adjdr) :

* his feedback details are now confidential because he recently left a -FB to a US seller pretending he hasn't received his package and the seller replied telling he has proofs he received it, and the fact his feedback score is no hidden prooves he attenpted to screw that seller Check google cache !

* he made auction interference between "mystic_fairy" and i in June, hoping to receive my won items : unfair practice ! check mystic-fairy feedbacks and you will see in June adjdr bought items at the same time as me.  

* i recently won two items and as he was the second best bidder adjdr tried auction interference again, contacting the seller to say "don't send items to him !!!" ==)> and still no news from the seller ! He's the bad guy here, not me !

* adjdr tried to get a free "TSR-1" from the seller and a full refund from mondiversi : another unfair practice from him !

==)> who is really the sole screw, here ? adjdr, not i. And i can proove it !



argyrebasin,

argyrebasin wrote:Happened to find this on another thread. Way to preach Lurker when, in fact, you're screwing your customers more thoroughly than anyone! You sir, are not worth my time. Good day.

You are a liar : check my feedbacks received, idiot ! 100% satisfaction as a seller.
I'm not the one who sent an item without its map : it is easy to state others are screws when you are a cougster
If a really was a screw, i would have received as many -FBs as jonb. Anyone can tell on a forum that someone is a screw, but you will have to proove it. I have proofs concerning "dwarf" to be a screw : "mystic-fairy" told it to me in July. It is easy to lie as you do here - pretending someone is a screw - without bringing proofs. But i, i have proofs adjdr is AT LEAST guilty of auction interference. And my feedbacks as a seller proove i'm 100% honest. Think what you want, con artist !

Good to see you finally got +FB instead of -FB ; check my feedbacks as a seller, as it prooves i always got 100% +FB from my buyers (the sole one who was changed was a neutral from "alahel" because of one pencil mark inside and he got refund) ; and check also my DSR. As i said, i don't want to buy items from you as a buyer i'm now accepting signed for services only, for mutual satisfaction and shipment guarantee (thanks to dwarf the screw artist for that )

In case you have other questions, you can contact me in private or through eBay. As i told you, you made a mistake as a seller and you had to bear the cost.

Simply buy an item from me and you will understand when you will receive it that i'm an honest seller and why i usually receive 20 stars per sale with a +FB.

*****
Foul foot,

I'm not here to ruin other reputations, but i have to defend my honor from such lies. I hope you will understand it is very easy to blame buyers, but it would also be easy to invite them here to defend their view points versus (maybe) lies or abusive messages.
It would be futile to ban me again because as a computer scientist i can set a new IP address and a new MAC address when i want to (i only have to unplug and plug again my modem to obtain them ), and the sole fact i'm here prooves it. But do as you want


Cheers,
your "semi-troll"