bclarkie wrote:What are you a George Bush fan or something? Flip flopping? Let me guess you were the one who offered the 30 pounds....
islestrike wrote: Yeah well I mention that previous auction because like this one it had the potential to come to the same conclusion - that of one person getting ahead at another person's expense. Just curious why people were so incensed previously but this one is ok. Now I know. Don't you think you are splitting hairs just a tad? So if you stick your foot out to trip someone that's bad, but if you just nudge them a little in the hopes they trip themsleves, well then hey feel free to help yourself to whatever falls out of their pockets.Someone mentioned that when simply making a BIN request you don't necessarily know what the response will be, so it's ok. But if you are hoping to get someone's item at a steal then isn't that just as greedy as if you made that offer yourself? According to what I'm hearing I guess not. I guess when you want something for nothing (meaning someone else's value is diminished) these are the kind of hoops you have to jump through.If you want a low price wouldn't the ethical business offer be something like "hey mr. seller, that item has a potential value of x if the right people are bidding at the right time and the condition is good. But who knows ...I'll give you half that amount and you don't have to worry." Or insert whatever price you think a reasonable risk averse person might go for. Even though you might pay a bit more isn't that better than simply helping yourself to a free lunch because the seller doesn't know any better? Well you either see it or you don't. In the end it's just so much stuff.
Deadlord36 wrote:Buyer and seller beware.Sorry, but I can't side with a seller who does not know the value of what he is selling. Ignorance in this day and age is inexcusable. Come on, if someone offered $125 for four beat-up books, would that not raise a freaking red flag in ANYONE's mind? At what point do you start saying "hmmm, maybe these are worth quite a bit?". If you don't really know the value of what you are selling, the choice is simple. DON'T FREAKING SELL IT.If you choose to sell on eBay, you do so of your own free will. No one forced the guy to sell for $125. And if he isn't smart enough to do research, too phuqing bad. He deserves what he gets.
Deadlord36 wrote: Come on, if someone offered $125 for four beat-up books, would that not raise a freaking red flag in ANYONE's mind? At what point do you start saying "hmmm, maybe these are worth quite a bit?". If you don't really know the value of what you are selling, the choice is simple. DON'T FREAKING SELL IT.
deimos3428 wrote:All you moral types can wander off at this point, because this isn't a matter of right and wrong, check your alignment chart again. Frank: Precisely. Everybody's dodging the issue; I would have offered him $20, given the chance...so the other guys potentially did the seller a favor. $125 is far too suspicious, and would have frightened most sellers off. As long as you don't mislead -- and who would believe such an "expert" anyway -- you're not doing anything unethical. Immoral, perhaps, but you were supposed to have wandered off by now.
radagast wrote:BTW I find very interesting the topic of how much ethic have to do with business ... Let me say: I think moral and economics are very different fields, completely different.
Ralf Toth wrote:radagast wrote:BTW I find very interesting the topic of how much ethic have to do with business ... Let me say: I think moral and economics are very different fields, completely different.This is where I totally disagree. As much as business is part of life, if you follow a basic moral code in life, that same moral code by default also applies to your business practices or else you're betraying yourself.
Ralf Toth wrote:Ah, I see now I misunderstood you. Thanks for the clarification!
Deadlord36 wrote:You're right, Breach. I personally think ST1 is worth $50. I'll offer that much next time one comes up.To be honest, this thread should die. It has been discussed in the past, and as is typical there are opinions from every conceivable point of view.