killjoy32 wrote:what i dont agree with, is trying to fill someones head with lies to get your BIN at a low price. thats just not british.
deimos3428 wrote:<bunch of wonderful commentary snipped>killjoy32 wrote:what i dont agree with, is trying to fill someones head with lies to get your BIN at a low price. thats just not british.Is that a statement of national pride or an obscure usage of "british" that I'm not familiar with?
1995 called and wants it's Pharoah valuation back.
killjoy32 wrote:i have been on the receiving end of instances like this, where ppl have made me offers for something, which was way below its value. this relates to not only RPG stuff, but other things too. one of my instances was 2 boxes of very old comics that i had. i needed space and decided to just offload them - i stuck an advert in the local paper and someone came to buy em for £25. it wasnt until a few weeks later when i was mentioning it to someone, who nearly collapsed when i told them what was actually in the box. the value of what was there, was close to £1500-2000, but in the end, that was my laziness for not looking into things first before selling them.
Yama-Arashi wrote:I've read plenty of outrage on this board about high prices set by resellers, with accusations that such an action was designed to fleece the unwary. Trying to get a seller to put a BIN on an auction so that you can walk away with a steal is equally distasteful.
islestrike wrote: Yama-Arashi wrote:I've read plenty of outrage on this board about high prices set by resellers, with accusations that such an action was designed to fleece the unwary. Trying to get a seller to put a BIN on an auction so that you can walk away with a steal is equally distasteful.Well Yama-Ara you've said what I've always thought but never bothered to post ...it's one set of rules for this little club and another set for everyone else. Just check out the moral indignation when someone offered this seller 30 pounds for their rare item: about2608-0-asc-400.htmlOf course had it been a "member" that actually managed to pull this off I'm sure there would have been some high fives as it was posted on the recent fun finds thread. I've also read posts of indignation from "members" who object to bookstore owners looking up prices for vintage D&D items when considering offers made to them. You are right to point out this flip flopping cause there is a lot of it here. Ralf Toth ...that seller DID get ripped off, you aren't just imagining it. They are really out some money. When so much is made on this site about valuations what else can one think?
Blackmoor wrote:What Brette did was not unethical at all, he simply put a bid on an item and won it, lucky bastard Now if you told the guy it was worth $125.00 knowing full well it was worth 5 or 6 times more and then gave him the money; that is very unethical and probably illegal.I remember a case here in Canada where an art dealer bought a painting from an old gal that was worth thousands, he paid peanuts. Eventually the truth came out and the dealer had to give her full market value for the item and pay a fine.You can not knowingly rip somebody off if you are an expert and the person is a layman. Like I said it is probably illegal. LaterJ
bclarkie wrote:What are you a George Bush fan or something? Flip flopping? Let me guess you were the one who offered the 30 pounds....
islestrike wrote: Yeah well I mention that previous auction because like this one it had the potential to come to the same conclusion - that of one person getting ahead at another person's expense. Just curious why people were so incensed previously but this one is ok. Now I know. Don't you think you are splitting hairs just a tad? So if you stick your foot out to trip someone that's bad, but if you just nudge them a little in the hopes they trip themsleves, well then hey feel free to help yourself to whatever falls out of their pockets.Someone mentioned that when simply making a BIN request you don't necessarily know what the response will be, so it's ok. But if you are hoping to get someone's item at a steal then isn't that just as greedy as if you made that offer yourself? According to what I'm hearing I guess not. I guess when you want something for nothing (meaning someone else's value is diminished) these are the kind of hoops you have to jump through.If you want a low price wouldn't the ethical business offer be something like "hey mr. seller, that item has a potential value of x if the right people are bidding at the right time and the condition is good. But who knows ...I'll give you half that amount and you don't have to worry." Or insert whatever price you think a reasonable risk averse person might go for. Even though you might pay a bit more isn't that better than simply helping yourself to a free lunch because the seller doesn't know any better? Well you either see it or you don't. In the end it's just so much stuff.