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Post Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 1:43 pm 
 

beyondthebreach wrote: Lest ye think ill of me . . .

No negotiating . . . I kept staring at it thinking do I want to even send a "question" to the seller (which I never do). So, after a few minutes I simply placed a bid of $125 (again, I usually never place bids early).

I click "place bid" and ebay says my bid is "at or above the Buy it Now price.

What? 8O I went back and checked out the description . . . it was edited and a BIN added while I was looking at it. If I had bid 1 penny less, the bid would have registered and I would have never realized it!

Nice!



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Seems that you may have been the very fortunate beneficiary of someone else's hard work. :wink:  I am sure you will be hearing about it if its someone from here. :twisted:


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Post Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 2:26 pm 
 

Revised 8.58.07 PST and Ended at 9.01.20 PST.
Someone must be seriously pissed at that. :D
Did the seller mention that he'd coloured in the pictures with magic marker?


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Post Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 2:33 pm 
 

mbassoc2003 wrote:Revised 8.58.07 PST and Ended at 9.01.20 PST.
Someone must be seriously pissed at that. :D
Did the seller mention that he'd coloured in the pictures with magic marker?

Is this an admission of guilt?  :wink:


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Post Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 2:38 pm 
 

bclarkie wrote:
mbassoc2003 wrote:Revised 8.58.07 PST and Ended at 9.01.20 PST.
Someone must be seriously pissed at that. :D
Did the seller mention that he'd coloured in the pictures with magic marker?

Is this an admission of guilt?? :twisted:

I wish.
If I'd seen it I'd have either slammed in an initial bid, or asked thye seller to remove it from auction completely. And I'd have set the price more generously that $125. Maybe the pics really are coloured in. :D


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Post Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 3:08 pm 
 

mbassoc2003 wrote:
bclarkie wrote:Is this an admission of guilt?? :twisted:

I wish.
If I'd seen it I'd have either slammed in an initial bid, or asked thye seller to remove it from auction completely. And I'd have set the price more generously that $125. Maybe the pics really are coloured in. :D

No matter what, I can tell you if it was me, I would seriously distraught. :(   Talk about being in the right place at the right time. 8O


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Post Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 3:32 pm 
 

Well, let's put it in perspective.  I was bidding on it anyway, so the BIN would have been spoiled in any case.  Once that happened, it was just a matter of time until the high rollers locked in on it and decided the outcome in the last minute.

Does that help?  :)


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Post Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 3:47 pm 
 

beyondthebreach wrote:Does that help? :)

Not particularly! :P

  

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Post Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 4:02 pm 
 

Christ, guys, can't you be happy that he won it............


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Post Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 4:18 pm 
 

Deadlord36 wrote:Christ, guys, can't you be happy that he won it............


Umm, yes.  I am quite happy that he was able to get that.  I already congratulated him on it. :?


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Post Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 4:38 pm 
 

It could not have happened to a more deserving guy! Congrats Paul!!!

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Post Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 4:53 pm 
 

Dude that was me that negioated that dam it... well one of three by his post anyway... s$%$#^%$#6%^$%#

Brette:(


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bclarkie wrote:
Damn it, that thing sat out there without a bid for almost 12 hours. 8O How long did it take to negotiate that one. :wink: Nice Win though :D


Lest ye think ill of me . . .

No negotiating . . . I kept staring at it thinking do I want to even send a "question" to the seller (which I never do). So, after a few minutes I simply placed a bid of $125 (again, I usually never place bids early).

I click "place bid" and ebay says my bid is "at or above the Buy it Now price.

What? 8O I went back and checked out the description . . . it was edited and a BIN added while I was looking at it. If I had bid 1 penny less, the bid would have registered and I would have never realized it!

Nice!



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Post Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 5:30 pm 
 

Could someone please translate Brette's post for me??  :D


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Post Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 6:04 pm 
 

In case anyone is interested in some old Raistlin Ral Partha Dragonlance minis:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...AMESE%3AIT&rd=1

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...AMESE%3AIT&rd=1

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...AMESE%3AIT&rd=1

  

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Post Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 7:25 pm 
 



cant access them pages...



  


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Post Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 1:14 am 
 

Absolutely fantastic win BTB. :D  Supremely lucky with the timing of your bid. Unfortunate there Brette. Here's hoping for another chance at a good one for you next time.....

  

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Post Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 1:18 am 
 

what can I say... on another totally unrelated subject can anyone point me were you can hire assasins on the net??

AdderMcOne wrote:Absolutely fantastic win BTB. :D Supremely lucky with the timing of your bid. Unfortunate there Brette. Here's hoping for another chance at a good one for you next time.....

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Post Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 7:43 am 
 

killjoy32 wrote:


cant access them pages...

D'oh Bart! Sorry, my bad. Looks like the links got truncated for some reason. Let's try that again...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... %3AIT&rd=1

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... %3AIT&rd=1

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... %3AIT&rd=1

  


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Post Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 11:00 am 
 

beasterbrook wrote:what can I say... on another totally unrelated subject can anyone point me were you can hire assasins on the net??

AdderMcOne wrote:Absolutely fantastic win BTB. :D Supremely lucky with the timing of your bid. Unfortunate there Brette. Here's hoping for another chance at a good one for you next time.....


Personally, I wouldn't be too proud about talking anyone into selling a collector's item worth $750+ for $125. I'd be happy to BIN it or win it if it went as a normal auction without getting noticed by others who had the chance to find it. But talking an unknowing seller into this kind of deal seems greedy to me. Yes, the seller should have done some basic research. But as he obviously didn't, does that give anyone the right to rip him off the way he actually got ripped off? Yes, we live in a bad world, I know. Doesn't that fact oblige us to follow some simple ethical guidelines in collecting? How morally correct is the question "Is there a BIN for this item?" anyway?

I know many of you will disagree with me. I'm ready to get flamed for this, but I don't care. If I am not the only one who thinks this way, it would be nice to see some basic discussion about this issue.


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Post Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 11:32 am 
 

Ralf Toth wrote:
beasterbrook wrote:what can I say... on another totally unrelated subject can anyone point me were you can hire assasins on the net??



Personally, I wouldn't be too proud about talking anyone into selling a collector's item worth $750+ for $125. I'd be happy to BIN it or win it if it went as a normal auction without getting noticed by others who had the chance to find it. But talking an unknowing seller into this kind of deal seems greedy to me. Yes, the seller should have done some basic research. But as he obviously didn't, does that give anyone the right to rip him off the way he actually got ripped off? Yes, we live in a bad world, I know. Doesn't that fact oblige us to follow some simple ethical guidelines in collecting? How morally correct is the question "Is there a BIN for this item?" anyway?

I know many of you will disagree with me. I'm ready to get flamed for this, but I don't care. If I am not the only one who thinks this way, it would be nice to see some basic discussion about this issue.


I agree it's worth a discussion, but am not going to criticize anyone for asking for BINs that are below the Acaeum-estimated values, whether they're aware of those values or not.  And of course, we don't know if that's what happened in this case.  Maybe a BIN was requested, and the seller set the amount, which happens often.  Then the question becomes whether the buyer is morally compelled to inform the seller that the BIN is below what the item is worth.  I don't think so, but am open-minded, and am willing to change my views if a convincing argument is presented.

To be balanced, another aspect of this issue that should be discussed is whether the seller should reduce an unsolicited offer that is obviously far above an item's worth.  I've received an excessive offer or two (and have made more than one myself), but haven't taken advantage of them.

  


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Post Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 11:44 am 
 

Ralf Toth wrote:
beasterbrook wrote:what can I say... on another totally unrelated subject can anyone point me were you can hire assasins on the net??



Personally, I wouldn't be too proud about talking anyone into selling a collector's item worth $750+ for $125. I'd be happy to BIN it or win it if it went as a normal auction without getting noticed by others who had the chance to find it. But talking an unknowing seller into this kind of deal seems greedy to me. Yes, the seller should have done some basic research. But as he obviously didn't, does that give anyone the right to rip him off the way he actually got ripped off? Yes, we live in a bad world, I know. Doesn't that fact oblige us to follow some simple ethical guidelines in collecting? How morally correct is the question "Is there a BIN for this item?" anyway?

I know many of you will disagree with me. I'm ready to get flamed for this, but I don't care. If I am not the only one who thinks this way, it would be nice to see some basic discussion about this issue.


Personally, I dont have a problem with simply asking if the seller has a BIN. To me, it is really how you go about doing it. What is the difference if the seller already has one on the auction immediately or if he/she puts one on there later on with you asking without any prompting to the amount. Realistically, like what happened with BTB, no one is going to say "Gee, there is a Daystar West Pharoah on Ebay with a $125 BIN, I think I better email the seller and tell him that his BIN is way to low and I will happily pay for what the correct amount is." It is just not going to happen.  

Now with that being said, I am totally and 100% against lying to the seller in order to get them to put a BIN on there or to fashion the amount of the BIN through false information. Saying things to the seller like "This item is only worth $x.xx amount even though you know for a fact that it is really worth $x.xx plus $500.00, or like jonb/etc/tge did last year with his BS story on the H series modules, how he was looking for these for sooooooo long and that this was going to be a gift for his kid and how he would be so appreiative for this favor. :roll: Granted, it is virtually impossible to tell what really occurs in each case because that is really between whomever asks the question and the seller themselves as to what the truth is. But IMO, as long as its done the right way, I really dont have any problem with it. Just my $.02. :)


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