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Post Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 6:58 pm 
 

While looking at Nev's posting about the Games Workshop D&D Basis Set up for auction, I noticed that the rulebook has the wizard logo (and not the lizard logo) on it's cover. I decided to pull out the edition that I have, a fourth print, and the rulebook has a lizard logo. This would mean that the edition up for auction is either another printing (fifth?) or the rulebook is not original to the set.

When I opened my lizard-logo-carrying rulebook, I realized that the copyright page has the wizard and faery logo; and not the lizard/faery logos that the Acaeum has listed. This should be noted and changed in the Acaeum description (lizard logo and F 116-R on the cover, a wizard logo and GW faery logo on the copyright page).

I e-mailed the seller for more information about the rulebook and I will post here anything I get in response.

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Post Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2003 4:15 am 
 

PurpleDragon wrote:While looking at Nev's posting about the Games Workshop D&D Basis Set up for auction, I noticed that the rulebook has the wizard logo (and not the lizard logo) on it's cover


I received today this copy of the "GW Basic Set" and I can assure you there are no changes to be made  :cry: . The seller (or the former proprietor of this set) simply put a copy of the US Basic Rulebook in the box to make it complete  8O . So We have an UK B1, an UK box but an US rulebook. Of course I have already contaced the seller to require an immediate refund of my money and to receive enough additional funds to send this hybrid back to him  :x . What a pity.

  


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Post Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2003 10:39 am 
 

Ciro, I am sorry to hear that the boxed set had a US print rulebook. It is always nice to see a previously unknown printing of any D&D item come to light. I hope all goes well with your refund. I had a similar problem with that seller in that he did not describe an item properly (or was simply careless). In my case, it was a module that he stated was sealed although it was clearly open along the top.

I guess this only leaves us with the following change for the fourth print of the GW basic set (change in bold, lizard logo to wizard logo):

48-page rulebook:  Lizard logo in lower left,  with "F116-R" in upper right and "*T.M. Reg. App. For" under the D&D logo. References to Hobbits (see bottom of page 11) now changed to Halflings.  The copyright page states "Second Edition, Nov 1978", and has both the wizard logo and Games Workshop logo at the bottom of the page.  Back-cover catalog is slightly expanded, and has prices in pounds sterling.

  

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48-page rulebook: Lizard logo in lower left, with "F116-R" in upper right and "*T.M. Reg. App. For" under the D&D logo. References to Hobbits (see bottom of page 11) now changed to Halflings. The copyright page states "Second Edition, Nov 1978", and has both the wizard logo and Games Workshop logo at the bottom of the page. Back-cover catalog is slightly expanded, and has prices in pounds sterling.


Sorry to post in this old thread but I have the same rulebook with code F116-R et wizard logo + GW logo, and nothing seems to have been changed on Acaeum product list.
Is it an error on Acaeum or did I miss something? Anyone have the same blue rulebook?[/quote]

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Post Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 10:47 am 
 

I have a copy that fits the description too.  Although the only thing on the back cover catalog that has a price is the White Dwarf magazines.

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Post Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 10:52 am 
 

Mars wrote:Although the only thing on the back cover catalog that has a price is the White Dwarf magazines.


My copy has a price for every products.

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Post Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 8:54 pm 
 

Would it be possible to get a scan/photo of the product lists from both of these versions?

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Post Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 8:33 am 
 

Yes of course:

- cover
- 1st page
- back cover

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Post Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 9:54 am 
 

lokiwookie wrote:Yes of course:

- cover
- 1st page
- back cover


Thanks for that :)

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Post Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 1:14 pm 
 

The cover and 1st page on mine are the same but here is the back cover:

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Post Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:00 pm 
 

Mars wrote:The cover and 1st page on mine are the same but here is the back cover:

404 Not Found


Hum..War of Wizards, Star Probe, Star Enterprises gone from that one, Dragon no longer states 6 issues and cost (4p) more for the envelope.

US Basic 2nd edition book doesn't have those three (course missing many other products from the list as well). 1979 is the year that lists don't start to show prices.

Anyone know about shipping prices in the UK in the late 70's? Maybe see what shipping rates were and when shipping went up in price.

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Post Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:17 pm 
 

Plaag wrote:
Hum..War of Wizards, Star Probe, Star Enterprises gone from that one, Dragon no longer states 6 issues and cost (4p) more for the envelope.

US Basic 2nd edition book doesn't have those three (course missing many other products from the list as well). 1979 is the year that lists don't start to show prices.

Anyone know about shipping prices in the UK in the late 70's? Maybe see what shipping rates were and when shipping went up in price.

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Offhand, those catalog page differences seem to mirror the UK PHB/MM printings.  I'll dig up more info tonight if I get a chance.

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Post Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 10:49 pm 
 

Plaag wrote: cost (4p) more for the envelope.

Good eyes!  I have some rough notes, hopefully my terminology isn't too cryptic:

Mars' copy
This one is unusual.  For comparison, UKMM3 has 13p (not 13 1/2p).  This is Post-DMG (08/79).

I'd be interested in knowing if this printing has a "TM" designation anywhere on the copyright page, as opposed to an (R).  The USMM4 (compare with USMM3/USMM3+) has TM; but it's possible they overlooked it as well.

This printing is possibly as late as 1980 -- we just don't have enough data to say for sure.  It could be designated as a "4th+" printing unless we really want to shift the "red book" version down to 6th.

Lokiwookie's copy
Earlier.  Pre-DMG (08/79).  Post-B1 (11/78 ).

The Prices/No Prices transition occured between 01/79 and 08/79.  (Incidentally, if anybody has a US 4th printing PHB, I'd like to know if it has prices.  That would greatly help in narrowing the timeline on a number of items.)

Additionally, the G & D Series modules are listed at significantly cheaper prices than in early UKPH1/UKMM1.  I don't know when exactly the change was made, but if that is known it might help as well.  The dragon subscription is 8.00 pounds, not 6.00  The basic set is 6.95 pounds, not 7.50.  

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I'd venture a guess that the 4th printing entry on the Acaeum page is in error -- it should read "Wizard logo" in the paragraph referencing the copyright page.  (Possibly the same for the 3rd printing as well, but I don't own a copy.)

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Post Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 12:39 am 
 

(Incidentally, if anybody has a US 4th printing PHB, I'd like to know if it has prices.  That would greatly help in narrowing the timeline on a number of items.)



Yes the 4th print has prices listed.

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Post Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 12:41 am 
 

My copy does not have a TM on the copyright page.  It has the circled R in the Dungeons & Dragons title at the top.  The cover and first page scans of Lokiwookie's match mine.

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Post Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 6:20 pm 
 

chromaticknight wrote:
Yes the 4th print has prices listed.

Mike


Would it be possible to get scans/photos of this?

deimos3428 wrote:Additionally, the G & D Series modules are listed at significantly cheaper prices than in early UKPH1/UKMM1. I don't know when exactly the change was made, but if that is known it might help as well. The dragon subscription is 8.00 pounds, not 6.00 The basic set is 6.95 pounds, not 7.50.


Odd, US PHB1st (6?/78 - before 7/78 since Gamma World debut at Origins in July and is in list) has D3 cheaper then when the price changed in the Basic Rulebook 4th-6th prints 2nd Edition (11/78)

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