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Post Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 4:44 pm 
 

burntwire wrote:I think it is real. However, the value is up in the air. I have bought several tourneys and have never paid very much. My personal opinion is that if someone paid what the Acaeum states as the value for an R tourney they over paid by quite a bit. Also I have the tourney for I-10 and if this goes for a huge amount of cash I may contact the buyer and offer it to him. After all it is a Pre-Pub. :lol:


That's what I'm thinking, too.

@Burntwire: In your opinion, what's an appropriate value of the pre-pub R tourneys?


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Post Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 4:47 pm 
 

Ah, and did anyone see a sale of a pre-pub R1, R2 or R3 on eBay?


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Post Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 4:57 pm 
 

Ralf Toth wrote:In essence, I'd like to know, what is the big difference between the "pre-publication" versions of R1-R3 and any other official tournament (e.g. GenCon) module that explains their extremely high value? Is it only because R1-R3 were later released officially? Is it because of Mentzers autograph? Is it because they were sold at the convention through the hands of TSR employees? Or are all tournament copies worth around $800?


The pre-pub R-modules were indeed tournament modules.  Unlike most tournament modules, they were developed into retail TSR modules later, which is the real basis for their worth.  The term "pre-pub" is a bit misleading, and is only used to describe these modules in order to differentiate them from their mass-produced brethren.

Of identical rarity (and IMHO, value) are such modules as Lost Tamoachan, Lost Caverns of Tsojconth, and Quest for the Fazzlewood.  All were used as tournament modules, all were produced in very limited quantities, and all were developed into later TSR modules.  Therefore, they're highly collectible.

Tournament modules that fall outside this definition of "collectible" are modules that A) never developed into TSR modules, and/or B) have no easy way to tell if they are original copies used at the tournament.  Genuine, original tournament modules that were simply photocopies unfortunately fall into this category.  Again, this is my opinion.  The eBay auction right now seems to fall into this latter category.

Deadlord: I don't necessarily think that the module has to be a "post-pub".  It could easily have been printed earlier, with knowledge that the module would be used in the future at GenCon South (the modules to be used at tournaments are often identified months before the actual tournament).  The missing mention of GenCon East adds credence to the belief that the module was printed earlier than the numbered Pre-Pubs -- they hadn't yet decided to use the module at GC East.

Lastly: Frank Mentzer's comment is a little murky.  He indicates the module is genuine, and that he signed and numbered all the early copies -- but he doesn't explain how this copy does not have said signature and number?

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Post Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 5:00 pm 
 

Ralf Toth wrote:Ah, and did anyone see a sale of a pre-pub R1, R2 or R3 on eBay?


The sales history is right there on the module page.  There's been two successfully sold on eBay, and they went for $900 and $1,250.  A couple others were sold privately to a member of this forum (ahem), and went for a bit less ($800 range).

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Post Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 5:22 pm 
 

We purchased all three R pre-pubs for $2500 over a year ago. They are tracked for authenticity on this website. Those were the only ones we've seen in over two years of looking.

  

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Post Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 5:36 pm 
 

I bought the pre-pub of R3 (#35) on frp.marketplace back in 1999 for $40 or so...  :D
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I echo Scott's question as to Mentzer not signing this copy; perhaps a follow-up query would enlighten us.  
In any case, it'll be interesting to see how much this one goes for.

  

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Post Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 5:42 pm 
 

What should generate an items value or worth is the combination the following three factors:

1. Desirability
2. Traceability (Provenance)
3. Rarity

This supposed Pre-Pre-Pub item, although desirable, does not have any of the normal stamps of authenticity.  Therefore its rarity, and value, is put into question.

Foulfoot summed it up pretty well in the following paragraph from one of his prior comments:

Tournament modules that fall outside this definition of "collectible" are modules that A) never developed into TSR modules, and/or B) have no easy way to tell if they are original copies used at the tournament. Genuine, original tournament modules that were simply photocopies unfortunately fall into this category. Again, this is my opinion. The eBay auction right now seems to fall into this latter category.

  

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Post Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 7:06 pm 
 

FoulFoot wrote:
Ralf Toth wrote:In essence, I'd like to know, what is the big difference between the "pre-publication" versions of R1-R3 and any other official tournament (e.g. GenCon) module that explains their extremely high value? Is it only because R1-R3 were later released officially? Is it because of Mentzers autograph? Is it because they were sold at the convention through the hands of TSR employees? Or are all tournament copies worth around $800?


The pre-pub R-modules were indeed tournament modules.  Unlike most tournament modules, they were developed into retail TSR modules later, which is the real basis for their worth.  The term "pre-pub" is a bit misleading, and is only used to describe these modules in order to differentiate them from their mass-produced brethren.

Of identical rarity (and IMHO, value) are such modules as Lost Tamoachan, Lost Caverns of Tsojconth, and Quest for the Fazzlewood.  All were used as tournament modules, all were produced in very limited quantities, and all were developed into later TSR modules.  Therefore, they're highly collectible.

Tournament modules that fall outside this definition of "collectible" are modules that A) never developed into TSR modules, and/or B) have no easy way to tell if they are original copies used at the tournament.  Genuine, original tournament modules that were simply photocopies unfortunately fall into this category.  Again, this is my opinion.  The eBay auction right now seems to fall into this latter category.

Deadlord: I don't necessarily think that the module has to be a "post-pub".  It could easily have been printed earlier, with knowledge that the module would be used in the future at GenCon South (the modules to be used at tournaments are often identified months before the actual tournament).  The missing mention of GenCon East adds credence to the belief that the module was printed earlier than the numbered Pre-Pubs -- they hadn't yet decided to use the module at GC East.

Lastly: Frank Mentzer's comment is a little murky.  He indicates the module is genuine, and that he signed and numbered all the early copies -- but he doesn't explain how this copy does not have said signature and number?

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Ok, gonna email Frank again.  What should I ask to clarify the situation more?



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Post Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 7:43 pm 
 

Point out that the current auction features a module that isn't signed and doesn't have a serial number, and appears to be slightly different than the other pre-pub R modules we've seen.  Ask him if there were any copies distributed prior (or after) the run of numbered pre-pubs.

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Post Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 11:04 pm 
 

And ask him, if he happens to have a copy lying around, to send it to me and I will personally verify it....


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Post Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 11:43 pm 
 

You can always buy it and mail it to him asking for him to sign it/verify it ;)

  

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Post Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2004 8:30 am 
 

Original D&D Set (white box) 5th prt with suppliments
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5 days with a reserve.  Opening bid is $20.00.  Suppliments are all lizard logo.  Is it me or is the description of the box set lifted right from The Acaeum (with no mention of the website)  :?



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FoulFoot wrote:Point out that the current auction features a module that isn't signed and doesn't have a serial number, and appears to be slightly different than the other pre-pub R modules we've seen.  Ask him if there were any copies distributed prior (or after) the run of numbered pre-pubs.

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This is Frank's second response

I'm suspicious. The Lake Geneva area didn't have a Pamida store, so I don't know where the binder came from (TSR got office supplies from BAT). I numbered and signed all the copies that I recall making. This might be a copy of one of the originals, with the number/signature left off (a piece of white paper across 'em will do it). I was in sole control of RPGA at the time, with only 1 staff aide, and no other staff would have handled such things.

otoh and contrariwise... I don't recall if I had started signing/numbering as early as the 1st-ever RPGA-sponsored tourney at GenCon South. There mighta been 4-5 tables at most. We might have brought the copies in bulk in a box (flew down) and bindered 'em there.

So it's still up in the air. Possibly authentic, possibly a copy... still rare in any event.

I've queried the seller to see if I know him. I'll let you know if anything changes.

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Post Posted: Sat Apr 17, 2004 8:55 pm 
 

Can you ask Frank Mentzer how many pre-pubs were published?  
The highest number on the Acaeum is #51 so perhaps 100?

  

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dathon wrote:Can you ask Frank Mentzer how many pre-pubs were published?  

Do you have Frank Mentezer e mail address? I'd love to do an interview with him. Would you be willing to ask him if he would be willing to do such an interview?

  

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Post Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2004 5:57 pm 
 

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dathon wrote:Can you ask Frank Mentzer how many pre-pubs were published?  

Do you have Frank Mentezer e mail address? I'd love to do an interview with him. Would you be willing to ask him if he would be willing to do such an interview?


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Post Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2004 1:42 am 
 

More British Mags up for auction

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Post Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2004 5:51 am 
 

muaddib5 wrote:
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He's a pretty friendly guy.  Don't think he'd mind hearing from you  :)


Wow. Another D&D living legend to interview. After Gary Gygax, Dave Arneson and Tim Kask I'm starting to make an impressive lineup of interviews  :D

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Post Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2004 8:23 am 
 

R3: EGG OF THE PHOENIX - - RPGA - - SHRINK-WRAP, MINT
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 97697&rd=1
7 days with no reserve.  Current bid is $9.99.  Again, from the sellers description:
I purchased this copy at Gen Con back in 1982 or 1983 when it was first released. I carefully slit the shrink-wrap across the bottom, slid the wrap off the top to gently look through the module. I then slid the wrap back down on the module, slipped it into a protective archival magazine bag, and put it in a file cabinet sandwiched between other modules.



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Post Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2004 8:33 am 
 

RAHASIA Daystar West D&D Module Laura &Tracy HICKMAN B7
RARE! First printing - 1979. Fewer than 200 published.
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