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Post Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 4:30 pm 
 

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True. A friend of mine said repeatedly - at least ten years before Katrina - that it was only a matter of time before New Orleans would be hit and the decision made whether or not to abandon it.  The real tragedy was that so many people didn't have the resources to re-locate.


The thing is, I bet there's someone out there wondering why GW hasn't owned up to his Presdential responsibility for flooding in England.

I mean...why hasn't FEMA rescued all of England yet?


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Post Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 6:42 am 
 

Not too bad here in yorkshire. Least not where I am. We're at the top of a very steep hill so we should be fine. Leeds has had some flooding though, as has my hometown of Kingston in Surrey. It's all a bit scary.

though, apparently NZ has had cyclones.

Well, that's it guys.. the end is nigh etc etc.

Man, insurance is going to take a massive hit, as is agriculture. With this sort of constant rain and wetness so many crops are going to just rot in the fields.  I fully expect fruit and veg prices to skyrocket if this continues.


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Post Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 6:59 am 
 

flying_purple_monkfish wrote:Not too bad here in yorkshire. Least not where I am. We're at the top of a very steep hill so we should be fine. Leeds has had some flooding though, as has my hometown of Kingston in Surrey. It's all a bit scary.

though, apparently NZ has had cyclones.

Well, that's it guys.. the end is nigh etc etc.

Man, insurance is going to take a massive hit, as is agriculture. With this sort of constant rain and wetness so many crops are going to just rot in the fields.  I fully expect fruit and veg prices to skyrocket if this continues.


and then tax to rise. they will get back their "aid funds" somehow...

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Post Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:10 am 
 

Don't make the mistake of thinking that what "scientists" are predicting is what will happen. A two degree rise in general temperature is WAAAAAAY too conservative, and is based on ancient data. No one factored in the Chinese and Indian industrial revolutions. The weather is going to be getting mighty weird and violent from hereon in.
I've been watching global warming since 1984 with a keen and (lately) amused eye. I used to get insanely angry about mistreatment of the environment, but I came to the realization that even if we extinguish 99% of the life on the planet, something will survive. It may be microbial, and take a few billion years to evolve into anything substantial, but it will happen.
Maybe this weekend I'll pick up an H3 Hummer, load the fucker up with leaded gas, and leave it running in the driveway with the air confitioning at full blast and the windows open. Then I'll change the oil, buy brand new tires to replace the new tires, and burn the old ones in my backyard, covered in the engine oil.


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Post Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:24 am 
 

Frank,

Don't forget to repaint it after you get it (as you'll change your mind on the colour), then pour the excess paint down the storm water drain to go out to sea.


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Post Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 10:08 am 
 

Deadlord39 wrote:Don't make the mistake of thinking that what "scientists" are predicting is what will happen. A two degree rise in general temperature is WAAAAAAY too conservative, and is based on ancient data. No one factored in the Chinese and Indian industrial revolutions. The weather is going to be getting mighty weird and violent from hereon in.
I've been watching global warming since 1984 with a keen and (lately) amused eye. I used to get insanely angry about mistreatment of the environment, but I came to the realization that even if we extinguish 99% of the life on the planet, something will survive. It may be microbial, and take a few billion years to evolve into anything substantial, but it will happen.
Maybe this weekend I'll pick up an H3 Hummer, load the fucker up with leaded gas, and leave it running in the driveway with the air confitioning at full blast and the windows open. Then I'll change the oil, buy brand new tires to replace the new tires, and burn the old ones in my backyard, covered in the engine oil.


if i had one wish, it would be to be as sarcastic as frank. quality  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:



  

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Post Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 12:48 pm 
 

Thanks, Al! I try to be as much of an ass as possible.
Though I suppose I should get back on topic....
About 12 years ago, my father's basement flooded horribly, about 2 feet of water. Unfortunately, my entire paperback collection was stored there. I had them on pallets, but they weren't 2.1 feet high, so it was useless. After the loss of several thousand books, I have developed an aversion to storing anything of value at or below ground level, and every place I've lived I have made sure that if there was any possibility of flooding, that I had a way to deal with it.


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Post Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 12:51 pm 
 

I rethought the Hummer situation. Before I repaint and burn it, I want to strip the exhaust off and drive it for a few hours through every wetland I can find. Then, I'll just drive the bitch off a pier and into the ocean.


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Post Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 1:04 pm 
 

See if you can get the air conditioning unit in it replaced with a CFC-containing one from the 80s, and then crack it open when you're done with it. :wink:

  

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Post Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 1:20 pm 
 

Deadlord39 wrote:I rethought the Hummer situation. Before I repaint and burn it, I want to strip the exhaust off and drive it for a few hours through every wetland I can find. Then, I'll just drive the bitch off a pier and into the ocean.


and while youre at it, as youve got loads of space, make sure you have a few barrels of used oil and some barrels of industrial waste as well.

may as well go the whole hog while youre at it :)

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Post Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 1:44 pm 
 

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and while youre at it, as youve got loads of space, make sure you have a few barrels of used oil and some barrels of industrial waste as well.

may as well go the whole hog while youre at it :)

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Post Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 2:11 pm 
 

Pretty sure the weather is going to change around North Texas now that we probably have a new hole in the ozone layer over Dallas after the industrial gas plant accident yesterday.  Several hundred gas tanks filled with acetylene, propane, and hydrogen exploded yesterday morning just southwest of downtown Dallas.  They said shrapnel from the blasts was seen falling over half a mile away.

Amazing that only two people were injured.  PDT_Armataz_01_23


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Post Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 3:40 pm 
 

Kingofpain89 wrote:Pretty sure the weather is going to change around North Texas now that we probably have a new hole in the ozone layer over Dallas after the industrial gas plant accident yesterday.  Several hundred gas tanks filled with acetylene, propane, and hydrogen exploded yesterday morning just southwest of downtown Dallas.  They said shrapnel from the blasts was seen falling over half a mile away.

Amazing that only two people were injured.  PDT_Armataz_01_23


Saw that on the news last night... could not believe people were still driving down the highway as it kept on exploding...   8O


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Post Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 4:13 pm 
 

Two injured, 30,000 future skin cancer victims.


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Post Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 5:02 pm 
 

Deadlord39 wrote:Two injured, 30,000 future skin cancer victims.


About par for Dallas...this is the same city that let people build an entire neighborhood around an old lead smelter plant from the 30s-60s, before saying "Oh, yeh, we just figured out why all the kids in that neighborhood seem to have birth defects", then paid out millions in compensation in the early 80s...and now seem poised to do it again with another industrial plant in a neighborhood----shooting out asbestos of all things...

And you wonder why the Cowboys moved to Arlington (or maybe you didn't have to wonder.....!)  Don't look at me, I live in the suburbs....

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Post Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 5:25 pm 
 

I was once a member of a class of teaching candidates who were complaining about the Exxon Valdez oil spill...and how Exxon and the other oil comanies were ruthlessly destroying the environment.

I felt constrained to point out that all of them probably drove to class that night using gasoline made from oil carried by the Exxon Valdez or another super tanker just like it, using exactly the same route...and that all of them had been doing so for years knowing full well that a major spill was almost inevitable.

They did not like it, but I give them credit for recognizing the implications.

The same thing applies to global warming.  We all have had a hand in it.  It isn't "them," it's "us."  At this point, what's going to happen is going to happen.  We can only talk about lessening the long term consequences.

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Post Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 5:30 pm 
 

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About par for Dallas...this is the same city that let people build an entire neighborhood around an old lead smelter plant from the 30s-60s, before saying "Oh, yeh, we just figured out why all the kids in that neighborhood seem to have birth defects", then paid out millions in compensation in the early 80s...and now seem poised to do it again with another industrial plant in a neighborhood----shooting out asbestos of all things...

And you wonder why the Cowboys moved to Arlington (or maybe you didn't have to wonder.....!)  Don't look at me, I live in the suburbs....

http://business.verizon.net/News/default.aspx?id=4419191

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Reading the article, Mike, I notice a woman angry, "that industrial plants operated in the middle of a neighborhood."

About 10 years ago, many states adopted a "gun range protection act."  Pretty much, it said that if you built a house next to a gun range, your right to complain about noise or safety was limited.  Other provisions limited liability, stating that anyone entering a gun range was forfeiting certain expectations of safety.  All in all, it was a very wise piece of legislation.

I wonder which one was there first....the factories or the neighborhood.  :?


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Post Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 6:42 pm 
 

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Reading the article, Mike, I notice a woman angry, "that industrial plants operated in the middle of a neighborhood."

About 10 years ago, many states adopted a "gun range protection act."  Pretty much, it said that if you built a house next to a gun range, your right to complain about noise or safety was limited.  Other provisions limited liability, stating that anyone entering a gun range was forfeiting certain expectations of safety.  All in all, it was a very wise piece of legislation.

I wonder which one was there first....the factories or the neighborhood.  :?


I'm pretty sure it was the factories...so a lot of the families are complicit...but realistically, how many people, even now, REALLY research they area they live in? This was in the pre-Watergate, Vietnam War era when people stlll trusted their government. Plus, from what I can remember using my hazy memories of the lead smelter case, the residents were "assured" by the government and the plant the air and area was safe.  Unfortunately blind trust in government will get you the shaft almost everytime. It wasn't until the aftermath of the Vietnam war and Watergate in the 70s that government agencies started coming under scrutiny, I'm sure a lot of those families (who are lower income) moved in before that time period.

One of the most sickening aspects of that story, again from my memory, was that the lead smelters "donated" land to the local elementary schools for playgrounds...which in the 80s turned out to have something like 1000 times the levels of lead humans should be around.  They had to cart the stuff out dumptruck by dumptruck and burn it...

I'm torn about the New Orleans disaster.  One one hand, my mom and all her family live in Louisiana, and if you are from there you know that every once in awhile, you are going to get a flood.  It comes with the territory (you are below sea level in most places). You either move away, move to higher ground, or prepare to rebuild every 10 years or so.  On the other hand, I would be furious to know that my LOCAL government (not even the Feds) put off levee improvement and replacement to issue more grants for casinos and downtown hotels, and the Superdome......sheesh.  I find it ironic and amusing now that many former New Orleans residents won't move back, and state and local officials wonder why......???????  "Please move back into your neighborhood that looks like WWIII took place there, and could flood again at anytime, and is still infested with drugs and gangs, because we need more residents to beef up the tax rolls"....

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Post Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:40 pm 
 

Read this month's National Geographic magazine for a lucent article about the future of New Orleans.


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Post Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 6:54 am 
 

You don't just want a regular hummer, oh no.. that's not inconsiderate enough! you want a STRETCH HUMMER! (I honestly can't believe these exist.. I mean who the hell wants to drive about in a ridiculously long and wide truck that gets like 3 foot to the gallon?)
Then paint it with lead based paint... mmm lead based paint.

And erm.. why wouldn't you check out the area you were moving into? Heck, we went for a walk about our neighbourhood before buying our house. Found out we had a park, which was never mentioned and of course several closed down pubs including one that had been burned out. yeek. Still, it's a nice enough area. Just wish we could have met the neighbours first. I honestly want to poison one neighbours cats, and maybe her too that stupid arrogant presumtous *mutter mutter mutter*

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