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Post Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 9:50 pm 
 

Been a long time since I've logged in, but I've been watching this thread.  Didn't I pay for this back in April or something?

So any update as to the shipping?

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Post Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 10:06 pm 
 

otherworld wrote:Anyone heard any recent news?


Allan posted a bit of info in the "Delta Green" thread in the Non-TSR area. Basically, Rob is still fighting an illness.  My suggestion was to get him to log onto USPS.com and see about shipping the items from his house.  If he has a scale at home he's all set....just needs some stamps (or to print his postage) and the mailman will pick up from his house. Unfortunately unless they go out this week we won't be seeing them this year I'm afraid...

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Post Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 10:57 pm 
 

Here's what I posted in the other thread, just to have it all in one place:

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Badmike wrote:Now if we could only get Bottle City before Christmas....!


I don't know what going on there, Mike.  Rob's alive, I had someone confirm that last night in person, but he's still not doing well health-wise.  Hopefully I'll hear more from Rob directly, soon :(


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Post Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 11:18 pm 
 

I would love to receive Bottle City this year, but Rob's health is far more important.  I'm content to wait as long as necessary for him to recover.  I'm sure BC will be shipped sooner or later.  I'm so confident of this, I even placed an order for a couple of copies of "El Raja Key's Arcane Treasury and Daemonic & Arcane" a couple of days ago.


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Post Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 11:27 pm 
 

NetRodent wrote:I would love to receive Bottle City this year, but Rob's health is far more important.  I'm content to wait as long as necessary for him to recover.  I'm sure BC will be shipped sooner or later.  I'm so confident of this, I even placed an order for a couple of copies of "El Raja Key's Arcane Treasury and Daemonic & Arcane" a couple of days ago.


Honestly this entire affair has got me to thinking what I would do in the same situation...since like Rob I'm a single-source online business.  I would say moving my shipping online has immensely streamlined this aspect, and I would recommend printing out postage on your computer to anyone...I can't believe I was Luddite enough to wait so long to do it!  

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Post Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:10 am 
 

Update:  http://p085.ezboard.com/fpiedpiperpubli ... =429.topic


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Post Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:19 am 
 

Thanks Allan.

Hang in there Rob!


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Post Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:19 am 
 



Wow, thanks Allan...straight from the horse's mouth!  Hopefully Rob will recover from his illness and get caught up.

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Post Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 2:31 am 
 

Thanks for the update, Allan.  Here's hoping Rob feels better soon.


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Post Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 11:02 am 
 

What about ordering Bottle City now?   Is it still available?


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Post Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 3:37 pm 
 

Yes, the standard edition is available, Mark, though not the limited edition.


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Post Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 4:39 pm 
 

The limited edition was always really really limited.  8O


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Post Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 12:45 pm 
 

News from Eric Shook, who dropped by to visit Rob just before the holidays:
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Post Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 5:21 pm 
 

grodog wrote:News from Eric Shook, who dropped by to visit Rob just before the holidays:
http://p085.ezboard.com/fpiedpiperpubli ... =432.topic


Wow.  This is really awful news.
   Is there a point where someone who knows Rob can go by his house and pick up the orders of Acaeum members?  I would willingly give that person permission to pick up my order and hold it as long as it took for me to get it....or pay them to ship it to me.  It looks like that is the only way we'll ever see these items.
   I know this sounds redundant, as I have stated it before, but is Rob under the care of a physician?  I can't understand why someone in the condition he is in isn't at a hospital at this time.

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Post Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 8:48 pm 
 

Badmike wrote:
Wow.  This is really awful news. I guess at this time I'm just going to write off any hope of ever seeing the Bottle City stuff,  and I would advise anyone thinking of ordering from Pied Piper not to....reading between the lines, I don't think anything is going to ship out ever again.  Very unfortunate.
   Is there a point where someone who knows Rob can go by his house and pick up the orders of Acaeum members?  I would willingly give that person permission to pick up my order and hold it as long as it took for me to get it....or pay them to ship it to me.  It looks like that is the only way we'll ever see these items.
   I know this sounds redundant, as I have stated it before, but is Rob under the care of a physician?  I can't understand why someone in the condition he is in isn't at a hospital at this time.

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I did offer my services and will probably help out in the future. But, when Rob is up to it and ready to tackle the other bits, it'll start moving. When I saw him a couple of weeks ago, he looked pretty bushed.

The module does exist - I have seen it!! Just a bit of collating, signing, and packaging to be done (which is actually quite a bit!).  So, I guess patience is the best medicine at the moment.


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Post Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 9:57 am 
 

Badmike wrote:Wow.  This is really awful news.


Mike, I agree that Rob's health doesn't sound good, but...

Badmike wrote:I guess at this time I'm just going to write off any hope of ever seeing the Bottle City stuff,  and I would advise anyone thinking of ordering from Pied Piper not to....reading between the lines, I don't think anything is going to ship out ever again.  Very unfortunate.


...I don't (personally) think that it's quite that bad (yet):  things may get to that point, but I don't think that we're there yet.  I hope that his health will have improved over the holidays, and that the new year will invigorate him further.  Time will tell.

Badmike wrote:Is there a point where someone who knows Rob can go by his house and pick up the orders of Acaeum members?  I would willingly give that person permission to pick up my order and hold it as long as it took for me to get it....or pay them to ship it to me.  It looks like that is the only way we'll ever see these items.


Like Deogolf I also offered to fly up there and to help with shipping, but Rob turned me down (for the nonce).  

Badmike wrote:I know this sounds redundant, as I have stated it before, but is Rob under the care of a physician?  I can't understand why someone in the condition he is in isn't at a hospital at this time.


Rob has seen a doctor for the pneumonia he likely had all summer long.  Beyond that I don't know what additional treatment, if any, he's receiving at the moment :(


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Post Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 10:26 am 
 

I'd offer to make a user-friendly PDF version that PPP could distribute to their very patient "sponsors", but since Rob hasn't spoken to me since I asked for payment 6 months ago, I think I'll pass.


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Post Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 2:26 pm 
 

Deogolf wrote:
I did offer my services and will probably help out in the future. But, when Rob is up to it and ready to tackle the other bits, it'll start moving. When I saw him a couple of weeks ago, he looked pretty bushed.

The module does exist - I have seen it!! Just a bit of collating, signing, and packaging to be done (which is actually quite a bit!).  So, I guess patience is the best medicine at the moment.


I really don't want to be the voice of unreason here...but is it completely out of the question that Rob CANT mail the items due to money problems?  I don't wonder if the items exist...obviously they do, as Grodog and others have attested to it...but perhaps Rob doesn't have money to mail them out?  I find it hard to believe that anyone, no matter how sick, cannot mail a single item in three months.  I'm sorry, that's not sickness, that's a near death experience and the individual needs hospitalization.  Being as Rob is not in a hospital, I cannot fathom someone no matter how sick having not one hour a month in three months to take care of business.  Sorry, it doesn't pass the smell test...

Several years ago I had one arm in a cast and the other in a sling, and managed to not only send out all my orders but to completely catch up on my shipping.  Sure it took an hour to package, address, and tape up a single order, but it got done, because I had customers who had paid me money awaiting their orders. The only explanation I can see, since Rob is NOT in a hospital hooked up to an IV, is that financial circumstances have led him to a spot where he has no money to pay for shipping. Nothing else really makes any sense at this point, and any evidence to the contrary (sorry, I've called in sick to work plenty of times, so someone saying your sick because they saw you acting sick, or you saying you are sick, doesn't mean very much...) is merely anecdotal.  What is a fact is that the product has been finished for three months and hasn't shipped.

While I feel bad for Rob's apparent financial difficulties, he is presumably a business man running a business, and owes his customers at least an honest accounting of his plight, instead of the utter lack of contact that he's shown so far.  I, or anyone else on this forum, would be hammered if I took money in advance and didn't ship items for three months after the items were available.  

The fact that Rob has turned down offers from Grodog and Deogolf to help him ship really, really raises suspicions in my mind.  I cannot imagine anyone turning down help in a time when it should not only be welcomed but solicited. If a similar illness downed me for a considerable length of time, I would shut down my ebay store (which Rob hasn't done; his website is still up and presumably soliciting business), contact my customers (which Rob hasn't done), and fill my orders to the best of my ability (Which Rob hasn't done), or find someone who would volunteer their time to fill the orders for me (which Rob hasn't done) in a similar situation arose.  Reluctantly, looking at the above information, I have to conclude Rob doesn't have the means to mail out the items, and the reason is obviously financial.  It's not a terrible knock on Rob; successful game designers are not necessarily financial genius's, people get behind on bills....

While I feel for Rob's plight as I would for anyone facing financial problems, I am also out money, not as much as some others that ordered a limited edition, but the circumstances are perhaps worse than the loss of money itself. .  I still think the "pay for publish" model can work in this industry, but I will definitely take a "wait and see" approach with any future game designers attempting this method.

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Post Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 2:40 pm 
 

The fact that Rob has turned down offers from Grodog and Deogolf to help him ship really, really raises suspicions in my mind. I cannot imagine anyone turning down help in a time when it should not only be welcomed but solicited. If a similar illness downed me for a considerable length of time, I would shut down my ebay store (which Rob hasn't done; his website is still up and presumably soliciting business), contact my customers (which Rob hasn't done), and fill my orders to the best of my ability (Which Rob hasn't done), or find someone who would volunteer their time to fill the orders for me (which Rob hasn't done) in a similar situation arose. Reluctantly, looking at the above information, I have to conclude Rob doesn't have the means to mail out the items, and the reason is obviously financial. It's not a terrible knock on Rob; successful game designers are not necessarily financial genius's, people get behind on bills....


BTW, I do apologize here, as Rob (or someone) has apparantly taken the Pied Piper site down...it is no longer functional:

http://pied-piper-publishing.com/

At least now there will be no good money thrown after bad....

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Post Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 2:41 pm 
 

Badmike wrote:I'm sorry, that's not sickness, that's a near death experience and the individual needs hospitalization.  Being as Rob is not in a hospital...

The only explanation I can see, since Rob is NOT in a hospital hooked up to an IV,


As I understand it, pneumonia is a near death experience.
Rob probably cannot afford the doctor care he needs.  

I don't doubt there is truth in much of what you say, Mike.  It is probably a combination of factors, including money.  (I have been in business before, for nearly a decade.  The scenario sounds very familiar.)

I didn't have money to purchase Bottle City when it was first offered.

I am waiting to see it actually shipped to someone else before I order one.


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