Busman wrote:Are you seriously going to let $150 ruin your blood pressure for 6 months?

Busman wrote:This thread should be locked, if at all possible. It's clearly gone beyond anything constructive.

Xaxaxe wrote:So, given that this thread was useless to you nine days ago, why are you still hanging around?

I think I know the answer, actually: you get off on telling people how they should act ... and you're having a great time now spewing your holier-than-thou "step up and do something about it" bullshit. But guess what, Mr. Busman? You don't get to tell anyone here how they should act, or what the accepted response is when one is left hanging, with zero communication, by an alleged gaming "legend" who has, for all intents and purposes, spent roughly a year pissing in the face of the very same people who supported his vanity project in the first place.

Those who were pissed upon have every right to come here and vent until they run out of things to say. Again, if that is somehow too much for your delicate sensibilities, find another thread to read. We have plenty.

JohnGaunt wrote:OK, Xaxaxe, stop hiding your feelings and tell us how you really feel.  

Xaxaxe wrote:Gee whiz, Mr. Busman, you're going to have to do better than that ... your newly-registered alter ego just managed to quote the exact same section of my earlier post that you did. You need to cover your tracks at least a little bit.

Multiple accounts are generally frowned upon here ... but I'll let you discuss that with FoulFoot; I just PM'd him.

someone999 wrote:
Many of us HAVE found another thread (and bulletin board) to read. This place, it seems to me, has largely become a haven for a closed-minded group of puerile cretins who think that they have a corner on the market of good sense when it comes to collecting D&D items. There are those of us out here with serious collections who have tired of this ridiculous ranting, calling people "idiots" at the drop of a hat, etc. Maybe RJK hasn't acted in the best interest of his fans or the future marketability of his company's products...

Agreed....Aaaaand you should have stopped right there.  

As far as I'm concerned at this point...it's finished. Pretty much everyone has gotten the product. Rob can attempt to patch together the trust he seems to have lost from his fan base.  The fans can move on from here and decide whether to support Rob or other third party publishers taking this into account. However, if someone who paid $150 for a LE or $20 fro a SE of Bottle City wants to rant awhile, what's the harm. That's the purpose of threads like this, blow off a little steam without anyone getting physically injured. Bygones.

But, have you paused to consider that the man might be going through some serious psychological, financial, and/or life-change issues that have prevented him from living up to your inflated expectations?

Considered...but in the end don't really care. The man is running a business...end of story.  I don't give most people who owe me product for money a pass for 9 months, sorry.... I wouldn't expect the same out of people I owed product for money, no matter what the circumstances.

It all boiled down to a matter of communication.  People will forgive you almost anything should you let them know you screwed up.  For Rob not to keep in touch with his contributors except through 3rd parties was a gaffe of legendary proportions.

Sure, maybe Kuntz isn't a "legend" exactly, but he sure as hell got a great deal of credit from EGG, someone whom we all admire and are still mourning the loss of. There are a few modules (S3 comes to mind) in which RJK is listed as a major inspiration by Gygax, even though his name doesn't appear in the credits at all.

This is pertinent.....how? Famous people don't screw up on ocassion?

Whether you bought Bottle City or not (I did), Rob Kuntz deserves your forbearance, if not your respect.

Forbearance was given for until it was noted Rob had all the product at his house....for three months....and couldn't get an item one shipped.

Would you be ranting like a spoiled child deprived of a third lollipop if it were Gary Gygax who failed to mail your precious module in a timely fashion... I think not.

I don't give most people who owe me product for money a pass for 9 months, sorry.... I wouldn't expect the same out of people I owed product for money, no matter what the circumstances.

someone999 wrote:
I'm not a troll, and I'm sorry I offended you. I'm outta here.

Xaxaxe wrote:Actually, I'm going to take my own advice and start giving this thread a miss.